kenb
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Oct 21, 2011 13:59:00 GMT
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Not sure if anyone is aware but new style MoT's certificates came into use this week. Well actually they are no longer a certificate as such. Its just a plain bit of paper with the basics on. So if you're buying a car please please check DVLA's MoT database before you buy. Any PO as well as DVLA office (yes they're all still there Mr Ace) cant issue a tax disc now without checking the database first. Personally I think its a better idea, but i'm sure all you sceptics out there will have other ideas why it isn't. www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108 |
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Oct 21, 2011 14:08:08 GMT
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The problem I'm seing is if you go to look at a car to buy, you can't take it as read that the car is MOT'd, so you've then got to note down the MOT ref. number, go home (assuming you don't have a swanky phone) and check online that it really does have an MOT.
Looking at the example they've got on the .gov website, it wouldn't take much to forge it.
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stealthstylz
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Oct 21, 2011 14:09:06 GMT
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Another great idea  . What if you don't have the internet? Government fail again. What a suprise. |
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bortaf
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Oct 21, 2011 14:27:01 GMT
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Ok
A you ask for the reg and ref number BEFORE going to see the car and check it
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B no net? possably walk into an MOT station and ask ? again before you go to veiw ?
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crazymonkey
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ummm....what was I doing again???
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Oct 21, 2011 14:30:29 GMT
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I don't have a problem with it as such but they do seem rather easy to forge
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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Oct 21, 2011 14:32:31 GMT
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And now you won't have that heart stopping moment when you go back to collect your car from your MOT and you wait to see whether the paper is red or green!
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stealthstylz
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Oct 21, 2011 14:33:56 GMT
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Thats even more work for us though, and less for the government. What was wrong with the old test certificate? They've stopped using one piece of paper and started using another, can't see how it saves anything at all apart from printer ink.
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Oct 21, 2011 14:39:29 GMT
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Ok A you ask for the reg and ref number BEFORE going to see the car and check it I wouldn't give out the details if somebody just rang me up. Making clones of cars just got easier. |
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Oct 21, 2011 14:43:09 GMT
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Thats even more work for us though, and less for the government. What was wrong with the old test certificate? They've stopped using one piece of paper and started using another, can't see how it saves anything at all apart from printer ink. Government cost saving.. they save on printing and distributing 4 different forms and MoT stations get the extra cost of the ink and plain paper (which they don't supply) |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Oct 21, 2011 14:50:15 GMT
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Twice now I've bought an old car from ebay where mysteriously the owner has lost the advisory sheet from the MoT... next car I buy, I'm asking for the MoT number as well as the plates for an HPI check. If you go to www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_10020539 you can see the entire MoT history, which'll give you an idea of what was advisory and also how many miles it's done over the past few years... hopefully I won't get caught out again! I've just looked at the sample and the advisories are now on the same sheet so in a year that particular dodge for selling a car won't work! Graham |
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froggy
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Oct 21, 2011 15:35:34 GMT
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ive already had a few calls from traders asking if there is a way of just printing the pass without the advisories and for me it means no more numpty,s buying a car without seeing the advisories from the last test then winging that it shouldnt have passed etc. for the car trader it means a bit more effort prepping a car for sale which is no bad thing . the old system meant siemens stood the cost of the 5 old forms so they have saved themselves a fair chunk ,how long the ink lasts in the new printers is another matter  |
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Oct 21, 2011 15:47:42 GMT
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. Any PO as well as DVLA office (yes they're all still there Mr Ace) cant issue a tax disc now without checking the database first. Never suggested otherwise Ken...until next April  |
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kenb
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Oct 21, 2011 15:48:57 GMT
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The problem I'm seing is if you go to look at a car to buy, you can't take it as read that the car is MOT'd, so you've then got to note down the MOT ref. number, go home (assuming you don't have a swanky phone) and check online that it really does have an MOT. Looking at the example they've got on the .gov website, it wouldn't take much to forge it. So thats no different to before. The other ones were easy to forge to, no one ever looked at them. Thats why they done this. The onus is now on YOU (read the car buyer not you personally) to check before you buy. Yes its little more hard work, but then its less likely you'll have bought a car that doesn't have an mot. Surely thats what we all want, but maybe not from reading all the other posts. As for those not on the internet, you either ask some one or get with the program basically. If it were me, I'd happily let someone use my computer to prove that it had mot if it was a deal clincher. |
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Oct 21, 2011 15:51:41 GMT
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Ok A you ask for the reg and ref number BEFORE going to see the car and check it I wouldn't give out the details if somebody just rang me up. I've asked for, and been given, the reg number and the number off the V5c twice in the last few months so I could look at the MOT history online. Both cars were for sale on RR, which is populated by trusting people with nothing to hide. |
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crazymonkey
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Oct 21, 2011 16:09:36 GMT
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just been talking to my mate who works in a dealership and they have the new forms. apparently they're a sod to fill out though  and I'm not 100% sure why you have to check on MOT status as it still says the expiry date on it or am I just having one of those "DUUUUUHH" moments lol |
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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Oct 21, 2011 16:17:33 GMT
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All is a huge step forward from when I bought a 400E Thames van with an MOT that had 'accidentally' gone through the washing machine in the guys jeans.
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bazboy
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Jetta - Its like a golf but better.....
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Oct 21, 2011 16:23:34 GMT
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What about track days and small local motorsorts such as road rallies? Wont this make providing proof that your car is safe much harder and time consuming?
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1986 - VW Jetta GT 16v
1986 - Volvo 340
1991 - Volvo 460
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Oct 21, 2011 16:28:00 GMT
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I still got a i guess old one yesterday, when does it come into force. my mot place is bit old fashioned and not long had is computer. and wont take cards!
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burns
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Oct 21, 2011 16:30:17 GMT
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What about track days and small local motorsorts such as road rallies? Wont this make providing proof that your car is safe much harder and time consuming? An old MOT was easily forged though. Now you could just ask people to include the MOT reference number with their entry/booking and use it to to check before hand that it was all legit, without people forgetting bits of paper etc on the day. |
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bazboy
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Jetta - Its like a golf but better.....
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Oct 21, 2011 16:50:24 GMT
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What about track days and small local motorsorts such as road rallies? Wont this make providing proof that your car is safe much harder and time consuming? An old MOT was easily forged though. Now you could just ask people to include the MOT reference number with their entry/booking and use it to to check before hand that it was all legit, without people forgetting bits of paper etc on the day. I guess, but... Take the gathering for example, i thought the current system ran very smoothly, presenting docs to the lady in the booth, and i may be wrong but i didnt see a computer there? So getting people to bring ref numbers wont just require some hardware investment but may also lead to ref numbers being entered wrong, time consuming entry etc... All increasing the time people have to wait. And asking for peoples ref numbers before the show is gonna be a massive ball ache to hotwire and his team, whom I'm guessing will all ready be under a lot of stress. |
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1986 - VW Jetta GT 16v
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. What if you don't have the internet?
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