froggy
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Oct 22, 2011 10:59:40 GMT
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the used car trade are the only losers here as i for one wont be using any fewer advisories on sales cars as its the only defence against an appeal for a ropey car .
the few cases of unhappy buyers ive had over the last 5 years have mostly been internet sales where the buyer travels a fair distance and buys on the strength of a fresh ticket without seeing the advisories then seeing the car in the cold light of day seeks redress from the mot station as the seller washes their hands of the car .
the new ticket should put a stop to this along with some clocking as a "lost" mot cert means checking the history online including previous mileage , i tested an 08 sprinter recently which showed 80k at its first test but found a receipt for a tyre from last year showing 248k !!!
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bortaf
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Oct 22, 2011 12:59:31 GMT
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Also, same system for last 6 years! How often has anyone not been able to tax their car because of a computer fault? I know, I know, it hasn't happened... yet. No it's NOT. How is giving the V5 number out making it easyer to ring a car ? He meant the numberplates. Obviously. why obv?  ? you need the cert number you need to check the MOT ? would would be the point iof refusing to give out the car reg to a buyer thats just silly?  |
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2011 13:03:16 GMT by bortaf
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Oct 22, 2011 14:01:11 GMT
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the used car trade are the only losers here as I for one wont be using any fewer advisories on sales cars as its the only defence against an appeal for a ropey car . the few cases of unhappy buyers ive had over the last 5 years have mostly been internet sales where the buyer travels a fair distance and buys on the strength of a fresh ticket without seeing the advisories then seeing the car in the cold light of day seeks redress from the mot station as the seller washes their hands of the car . the new ticket should put a stop to this along with some clocking as a "lost" mot cert means checking the history online including previous mileage , I tested an 08 sprinter recently which showed 80k at its first test but found a receipt for a tyre from last year showing 248k !!! This reminds me of a funny story. I fitted an instrument cluster in vito a few years back and when coding them on you have to put the mileage in. I asked the customer for the mileage and he said 'around about 60'000'. Bearing in mind this van was a total old dog i asked him if he was sure and said that if the mileage in the ecu doesnt tally with that in IC the van wont run. He went a funny colour and phoned his wife up to check the last mot and he came back rather sheepishly and said '174'000'. It wouldnt have made the slightest bit of difference what mileage id put in but i was buggered if a was gonna let him get away with it. |
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Oct 22, 2011 14:03:31 GMT
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I know, I know, it hasn't happened... yet. No it's NOT. He meant the numberplates. Obviously. why obv? ? you need the cert number you need to check the MOT ? would would be the point iof refusing to give out the car reg to a buyer thats just silly? don't you know car reg's are sensitive information? Thats why we drive around with them written in big letters on the front and back of our cars ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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bl1300
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Oct 22, 2011 14:43:36 GMT
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Well to be honest I really don't care!
I still get a bit of paper and I always check the database online as soon as I get home anyway
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Current fleet.
1967 DAF 44
1974 VW Beetle 1303s
1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV
1988 VW LT45 Beavertail
1998 Volvo V70 2.5
1959 Fordson Dexta
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Oct 22, 2011 15:37:15 GMT
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An old MOT was easily forged though. Now you could just ask people to include the MOT reference number with their entry/booking and use it to to check before hand that it was all legit, without people forgetting bits of paper etc on the day. I guess, but... Take the gathering for example, I thought the current system ran very smoothly, presenting docs to the lady in the booth, and I may be wrong but I didnt see a computer there? So getting people to bring ref numbers wont just require some hardware investment but may also lead to ref numbers being entered wrong, time consuming entry etc... All increasing the time people have to wait. And asking for peoples ref numbers before the show is gonna be a massive ball ache to hotwire and his team, whom I'm guessing will all ready be under a lot of stress. Get registered early online i guess, then they only have to check the reg number against their own llist of cars when they turn up. ok if you change what car your bringing late, or you only get the MOT just before the event then things might take a while, but maybe down to late entries to bring internet capable phones? |
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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RobinJI
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"Driven by the irony that only being shackled to the road could ever I be free"
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Oct 22, 2011 18:42:01 GMT
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This will have no real effect on anyone capable of discussing the subject on an internet forum  ^ This. Makes sod all difference to me. Even if it wasn't for the phone line, despite living in the backside of nowhere, our local library has public access to the internet, and I'm betting anyone with no internet access, will have library access unless they live in a hole, in which case, they really should make more effort to join society if they want to use the roads. As for motorsport, there's actually not a huge amount of events that ask to see an MOT certificate, most prefer a quick check over the actual car there and then (scrutineering), hence why a lot of people have non-road legal track cars, and a whole bunch of kit cars destined for the track never even end up with a VIN, let along an MOT. Event organizers won't really care, as long as they can tell their liability-insurance company they've seen a certificate it makes no odds to them if it's a forged document or not, that's the drivers problem should they injure someone/cause any damage. Poor driving and cars with legit, but 10 month old MOT's are a much, much bigger risk 99% of the time, hence why the tracks prefer to check the cars on the day most of the time. |
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Oct 22, 2011 21:40:44 GMT
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I couldn't care less about the new test paperwork. Really. They can write "U can haz mot" on a scrap of paper if they like and give me that providing it's tested, legal and on the system. If I sell a car and the buyer is so worried they want to double check then they can go right ahead. No problem! Exactly. My daily went for a test this morning - it passed and I was given the new style white certificate thingamebob complete with a couple of advisories - doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me whether I receive a green or white piece of documentation - it passed and I can now tax it - it's legal and that's what matters most. Incidentally , the only time in the last few years I've ever had trouble taxing a car was when I tried to take my insurance documents to the Post Office . They wouldn't accept them because they were printed off my pc - you know , the type that gets emailed to you now... so I hot-footed it to the licensing place and ooh what a surprise , they issued me with a tax disc straight away because the details were all on their database..... About time we embraced new fangled stuff rather than charging at it with our pitchforks.. |
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Oct 22, 2011 22:59:59 GMT
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the only time in the last few years I've ever had trouble taxing a car was when I tried to take my insurance documents to the Post Office . They wouldn't accept them because they were printed off my pc - you know , the type that gets emailed to you now I had this last year with one of the bikes. The boy at the PO said if I faxed him a copy of the printout it would be fine. Awesome fraud prevention skills. |
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MWF
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About time we embraced new fangled stuff rather than charging at it with our pitchforks.. +1 |
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Oct 23, 2011 11:08:23 GMT
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a bit foolish to trust a piece of paper or even a computer record of a test as to the road worthiness of a vehicle anyway, all it means is that it was road worthy at time of presentation.
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Oct 23, 2011 11:17:22 GMT
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...The boy at the PO said if I faxed him a copy of the printout it would be fine. Awesome fraud prevention skills. This one always makes me shake my head. For some reason, most businesses and even government departments will accept a faxed document as genuine, even including signatures, but an email does not count. Why?! A fax is just as easily forged as an email, but obviously because fax machines were invented back in the days when people still trusted each other, the machines themselves must be trustworthy! |
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doobie
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Oct 23, 2011 12:20:11 GMT
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PO now accept home printed insurance docs btw.
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Oct 23, 2011 13:19:42 GMT
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Yes, it has an expiry date! All the same details are there as the old cert... Oh, and the helpline number is 0870 33 00 444 - you need to have the registration mark and either the test number or the V5c doc reference number ready  well if it has an expirey date and the car is checked by the new buyer and is happy i don't see this being any different, you could call the AA/RAC to check it i guess. I'm pretty familiar with cars now so i would trust myself that the car is ok and has an MOT so i can drive it. |
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? you need the cert number you need to check the MOT ?
