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Sept 10, 2011 17:54:03 GMT
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I'm looking at improving the light output of my 1973 Citroen DS and I LOVE the HID on my motorbike, but I really want the lights to stay yellow for that period look.  So, anyone got experience with 3000k HID lights? They sell them on ebay for not that much, so I could just buy and test them, but I don't want to invest time and effort in something I'm not going to use  |
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mk2cossie
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Sept 10, 2011 18:41:55 GMT
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um, illegal to fit and soon to be a MOT fail ;D just get some relays fitted up to the standard headlight system and get a good 12v (or 14v if the alternator works well ) up to the headlight bulbs instead of using the old crusty loom  |
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Lopez
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Sept 10, 2011 18:43:43 GMT
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um, illegal to fit and soon to be a MOT fail ;D Very easy to remove if you are concerned about the MOT - it's about a 10 minute job depending how much you wrap the loom up. |
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Sept 10, 2011 19:14:56 GMT
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Then you are at risk of having 'issues' with plod aswell.
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mirafioriman
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Sept 10, 2011 22:28:00 GMT
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Why illegal and an MOT fail? New cars have them.
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Sept 10, 2011 23:39:56 GMT
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New cars are built with them self levelling, with washers for them and with appropriate beam pattern  They also look absolutely gash. I think your problem is wanting yellow and a decent output.. I'm with Mk2Cossie on this. Relay them with appropriate wiring so there you are losing as little voltage as possible. It should make a fair difference. The other really simple thing is to thoroughly clean the lights inside and out. |
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Sept 10, 2011 23:49:14 GMT
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Sept 10, 2011 23:59:02 GMT
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Another point, if you use HID's in headlights not designed for them, they are far too bright for oncoming traffic, which is dangerous, dipped beam is like full beam with normal lights. I've been close to turning round and chasing idiots in saxo's etc with them fitted. There should be nothing wrong with h4's wired for optimal efficiency. Modern cars with HID's fitted have headlight units designed around them, they don't work in old cars.
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Sept 11, 2011 0:19:32 GMT
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Thanks for the headsup guys, but MOT is very different here (I'm from the Netherlands) I must admit I do not know the exact rules, but will do some more research before purchasing the bulbs from ebay. I know putting relays in will help with the output, but since the headlights are clear and clean, I don't really see a problem when using HID?
I was mostly interested in the color of the 3000K lights and any personal experience with them.
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Sept 11, 2011 1:00:29 GMT
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About the relay stuff; I've wired a relay for the 85w headlights on the taunus, the light output itself didn't differ too much, but the volt meter now shows 13,5v on full beam instead of ~12, with dipped at about 12,8v  |
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mirafioriman
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Sept 11, 2011 9:17:43 GMT
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Just read the 'Rules' and to be honest I think they are being stupid, but then again most government decisions are thats why the country is in such a mess. MOT regulations already test beam height and beam pattern anyway. And as for the rule stating that cars fitted with HID lights should have headlamp washers fitted? My fathers 55 S class Mercedes could have had them fitted as an option but doesn't. It would be interesting to see if the headlamp is a different part number for HID/Standard bulbs.
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Sept 11, 2011 10:48:33 GMT
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I went on a course for Xenon lamps many years ago and was told that dirt on the lense can scatter the HID beam and dazzle other users, hence the need for washers.... However when I pointed out that maybe a load of water squirted onto the lense may act as a prism and be more of a dazzle problem, the tutor didn't have an answer.... Washers and wipers I can understand, but just washers is a waste of time. I was going to suggest the Osram Nightbreaker bulbs along with a yellow film on the lense, but these films are soon to be an MOT failure too....  |
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Sept 11, 2011 11:21:00 GMT
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I went on a course for Xenon lamps many years ago and was told that dirt on the lense can scatter the HID beam and dazzle other users, hence the need for washers.... However when I pointed out that maybe a load of water squirted onto the lense may act as a prism and be more of a dazzle problem, the tutor didn't have an answer.... Washers and wipers I can understand, but just washers is a waste of time. I was going to suggest the Osram Nightbreaker bulbs along with a yellow film on the lense, but these films are soon to be an MOT failure too.... doesn't matter for the OP since he's in the Netherlands, but why will films on lenses be a fail? |
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Sept 11, 2011 12:09:57 GMT
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Well the actual wording is, "Products on the lenses that reduce light output" Now I for one will take this at its word and assess whether or not any films etc reduce output (we aren't allowed to actually measure light output only assess it visually) the chances are that 95% of the time the light output will be fine, I can't imagine yellow film causing too many problems, so only really dark films should fail.... However.... there are, unfortunately, are a lot of poor quality 'old skool' testers still out there who don't read things properly and if they are in doubt they simply fail things  Edited to make more sense... Hopefully! ;D |
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Last Edit: Sept 11, 2011 12:11:59 GMT by BigDaftAl
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Sept 12, 2011 12:10:38 GMT
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Perfect sense. Thanks for the clarification |
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