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Aug 30, 2011 18:18:51 GMT
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Two things occur.
1. I find I may need a car which is good on petrol and cheap to run generally.
2. I spot a cheap cortina mk3 1300 locally...
See what I'm thinking?
I recall crossflow mk3 to be slow and not good on fuel though...
Thoughts on what it might do as stock in mixed and cruising at 55 and what I could do to improve it
Alternatively I guess a 2.0 dohc and 5 speed from a Granada or something would do the job and make an easy 35 cruising
Thoughts?
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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CIH
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Aug 30, 2011 18:37:41 GMT
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For me, when I need a daily I find the cheapest easiest thing to live with and spend the least amount of time or money on. My old Blueird 1.6 LX was awesome- 6 months of use and hardly a quid spent.
edit: granted I spent the whole time complaining how boring it was but that was just dumb.
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Last Edit: Aug 30, 2011 18:38:46 GMT by CIH
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spiny
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Aug 30, 2011 18:43:22 GMT
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my 2.0 mk5 'tina got about 22-24mog and it was stock as a rock ...
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Aug 30, 2011 18:53:12 GMT
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I've had high 20s on a stock 2.0 and 30 even cruising. With EFI and an extra gear should do better...
I didn't do that good with a stock 1.6 crossflow
No experience of a 1.3 though. Thought maybe with a 5 speed, some other tweaks?
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Brian Damaged
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Aug 30, 2011 18:58:43 GMT
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One of my dad's mates had a 1300 X-Flow Mk3. Even now I can remember just how comically, tragically slow it was. Especially since Dad had a 2000GXL at the time. Imagine a Mk1 1100 Escort with a plug lead off....
I had two 1600 Mk3's back in the 80's, one X-Flow and the other a Pinto and IIRC I struggled to better 25mpg knocking about town, if that. A 1300 would probably be worse as you'd be flat out half the time in a vain attempt to stay with the traffic.
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Aug 30, 2011 19:15:24 GMT
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Full Pro-Street look for added comical effect.
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Aug 30, 2011 19:18:50 GMT
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I had a loan of a mk2 Escort with that engine years ago and it was just unbelievably, painfully horrifically slow and not that great on fuel. I can't imagine what the cortina's like. I've had a couple of 1.6 pinto Cortinas and I got near on 30mpg out of them. You can live with their pace as long as you don't want to overtake anything quicker than a milk float.
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Aug 30, 2011 19:20:07 GMT
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My 24v did 30mpg over mixed driving, had so much torque it would pull uphill in 5th from 30mph on a very light throttle so you could just poodle around in high gear at low revs most of the time.
Injected DOHC should do 35 to 40mpg i would think but still have a fair old turn of speed should you want it, Cortina is a bit lighter than a Sierra although not as aerodynamic.
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10mpg
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Aug 30, 2011 19:52:18 GMT
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I had a sierra 1.6 pinto E-max (terrible long stroke gutless engine) carb fed 'but' it would do about 35-40mpg even being thrashed (you've seen me drive) and up to 45 in normal use...
In a corty i think i'd find a sierra spec 2.0 efi lump with a 9-5 to get a decent mix of economy and power, plus it'd take an afternoon to do the swap rather than a week to fit the zetec..
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Aug 30, 2011 20:14:20 GMT
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In that car I'd be putting in a 1.4 Focus engine (or presumably Escort 1.4 as well), keep the cheap tax bracket and get 40+ mpg if you drive nice and easy.
As far as cheap to run goes though, nice cars are false economy. Get the cheapest old heap you can and run it till it explodes. Favorit 1.3s are good for this, as they take ages to explode.
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bxer
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Aug 30, 2011 20:28:40 GMT
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Don't forget the axle too! Just had a quick look here and it's got a 4.44 as opposed to the 3.75/3.89 in the 2000s, so any donor would be redlining in 5th ;D
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Aug 30, 2011 20:38:34 GMT
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Had one of the last cortina"s (estate), it was a 1600 with a 2000 engine out of a capri, at best i got high teens, good old boat thow.
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BECAUSE I CAN
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ezzysi
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Aug 30, 2011 21:00:29 GMT
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Dirty old P100 Diesel running gear transplant FTW.
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Aug 30, 2011 21:25:56 GMT
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Perhaps tuning it to Escort mk1 GT or Mk2 Sport/ Ghia 1300 specs will help improve mileage. 70-75hp should be ok, right?
So, basically a big valve head (from a 1.6?) with a Weber 32 DFE twin choke carb and a tubular exhaust manifold. Only worthwhile when you can get the parts cheap, though. I recon a Zetec conversion can be done for a couple of hundreds pounds.
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ChasR
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Aug 30, 2011 21:48:49 GMT
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I'd say either Zetec a 'Tina or DOHC it if you want decent MPG (well, mid 30s). How bad were the Sierra 2.0 OHC EFIs (the EFI Pintos) on fuel?
1.4 Focus Sigma engine is a good suggestion but it will be ££££ to do. Why do a 1.4 when you have the 1.6 so easily available?
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Aug 30, 2011 22:53:59 GMT
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2.0 efi twink & matching box with 3.75:1 (2.0axle) in m y mk3 est will easily do 40 mpg on a run. pm me for install details.
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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bortaf
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Aug 30, 2011 23:00:38 GMT
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As craig says twink, pinto EFi will return 35+ at 70 (5Sp, 3.75) twink will beat that. TD you should see 45+ but that or the pinto are harder to find than a twink granny (with the easy to install loom). Zetec would be nice, the mondeo is ni-on half a ton heavyer but way better in the aero department but TBH i don't see it beating the twink on instal cost or MPG .
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qwerty
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Twink would be my choice as well! Something I've looked into. TD bellhousing so you can fit it to a type 9 for added ease of fitment.
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Econocruiser - Cortina?Robinxr4i
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How bad were the Sierra 2.0 OHC EFIs (the EFI Pintos) on fuel? I've owned a twink efi and a pinto efi Sierra (both of which had 3.91:1 diff), the twink is definately more economical I would say an easy 5mpg more on a run. The pinto was healthy too made good power on the rolling road and the fueling was good. For cheapness, ease of installation and economy the twink IMO is a winnar! TD bellhousing so you can fit it to a type 9 for added ease of fitment. I thought a type-9 with a pinto bellhousing would bolt directly to a twink? Edit: or just use the MT75? or is that too large to fit the transmission tunnel?
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Last Edit: Aug 31, 2011 7:34:31 GMT by Robinxr4i
Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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MT75 fits just fine in a cortina tunnel using a modified stock gearbox mount, you need a custom prop, but it will save you 10kgs or so over a type 9 and is stronger, cortina speedo cable should plug straight into a Sierra drive which is a direct swop for a grannys electric one, gearlever comes out in the right place also. My MK5 but pretty much identical underneath.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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