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Ad on ovalchat, £850 in Manchester, interior looks mint, paint good, bodywork looks like it contains some plop put not too bad. Be nice to see it saved from the track for the time being but I don't have any space at present.
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Last Edit: Aug 8, 2011 18:02:55 GMT by wilko
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It's not an MS85, it's an MS112, and it's also a CAT B write-off which the seller continually fails to disclose, so it cannot go back on the road. Oval Chat advert says:
Don't have the space to keep this and need to get rid for a new project which I have lined up,
Solid car needs no welding slight leak on exhaust box should pass mot starts drives like it should
Has been restored some time in its life as I have the restoration pictures,, the CROWN loads of history including manuals and bills..
Interior is immaculate with no rips at all real soft luxory velour seats with all the CROWN gadjets...
I am looking for £850
Location is manchester
Contact: 07746098614
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Last Edit: Aug 5, 2011 18:00:31 GMT by VIP
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Cat B? What am I missing? Is the n/s rear quarter shafted or something...
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It 'looks' perfectly fine, Nige, until you start looking carefully. It's obviously been repaired from whtever state caused it to be written off.
When I first saw it I was very interested so HPI'd the number and it came back Cat B.
It's a bit 'wobbly' in the sill, and the owner says it's been restored. I suspect it's been t-boned in the side, written off, then someones bought it and pulled it as straight as they can.
It's been for sale for over a year, always without an MOT, does the MOT database flag up write-off when they put the Reg in?
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Last Edit: Aug 5, 2011 18:29:32 GMT by VIP
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if thats true it might explain why it has been on ebay several times over the months, i have seen it listed at around £1750 and even at £450, the price has been up and down like a yo yo.
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Would make a good parts car if you already have an MS112, and it's 'possibly' worth near the asking price if you intend to use it that way. I just hope no-one gets stuck in buying it thinking they can MOT it and drive it on the road.
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Last Edit: Aug 5, 2011 18:35:13 GMT by VIP
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It was on PistonHeads as Shed of the week a while back, where its cat-B status was also uncovered. www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=162&i=23171It looks a nice car in the photos, but it must be concealing something rather dire. David
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Last Edit: Aug 5, 2011 19:25:50 GMT by dbdb
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but surely if someone bought it to put back on the road but couldnt because of that and the seller didnt tell them it was a CAT B then the seller is the one in trouble??? thought that was the case. Thought you had to legally say if it was written off and cant be put back on the road.
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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It was on PistonHeads as Shed of the week a while back, where its cat-B status was also uncovered. www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=162&i=23171It looks a nice car in the photos, but it must be concealing something rather dire. David That was me also!
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but surely if someone bought it to put back on the road but couldnt because of that and the seller didnt tell them it was a CAT B then the seller is the one in trouble??? thought that was the case. Thought you had to legally say if it was written off and cant be put back on the road. You are right, of course, but it would be a shame for anyone to have to end up in that position, shelling out for a car, then having to go through the hassle of taking the seller to court.
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dbdb
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It was on PistonHeads as Shed of the week a while back, where its cat-B status was also uncovered. www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=162&i=23171It looks a nice car in the photos, but it must be concealing something rather dire. David That was me also! Ah-ha! ;D but surely if someone bought it to put back on the road but couldnt because of that and the seller didnt tell them it was a CAT B then the seller is the one in trouble??? thought that was the case. Thought you had to legally say if it was written off and cant be put back on the road. You are right, of course, but it would be a shame for anyone to have to end up in that position, shelling out for a car, then having to go through the hassle of taking the seller to court. And that is if he can find the seller, and he actually has some money.
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I thought....
Cat B car they took the plates off them and deregistered them?
Cat B car can not be put back on the road although I keep hearing people say they can through some route or another?
You can only sue for Cat -whatever- if you buy from the trade?
Corrections on all of the above welcome.
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No idea, Akku, all I DO know is that the HPI result on that reg comes back as Cat B, and therefore I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
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Last Edit: Aug 5, 2011 20:56:29 GMT by VIP
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I have a similar opinion, just curious.
All the cars you see go through salvage auctions have the reg plates removed to force you to have a VIC before it goes back on the road. Maybe thats just cat C? Meh. Dunno.
Shame anyway as its a handsome looking car
Just goes to prove its worth HPI-ing anything you buy, I know a chap bought an old Camaro, pulled up the carpet in it and found stress marks all over the floor pan from where it had been pulled straight. Unless I'm confusing two cars and two stories - measuring up it was close on 2" shorter one side than the other. They are just scrap at that.
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Isn't there a way you can put a Cat B back on the road? I know they're supposed to be breakers only but I'm sure I saw on here that there was a way. May have been having to take it for an IVA or something?
Would absolutely suck if that got broken/scrapped/raced as it's cool as hell!
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As far as I recall, the Write-off Categories are something decided by insurance companies and don't have any bearing in law - though I understand yards holding Cat A/B cars generally won't let them leave the premises. I think this is due to agreements with the insurance companies more than anything else (i.e. they could insist on a Certificate of Destruction), so the main difficulty with Cat A/B things is actually getting them out of a yard in the first place.
Now this is all information as I understand it, I'd be happy to be corrected as it's nice to know how everything works. If it is a Cat A/B/C it would need a VIC doing prior to MOT (I've never heard of anyone doing a Cat A, but I imagine it is theoretically possible). Provided the VIN is in order, it shouldn't lose its original plates or anything. The new logbook will say something on the front about it being a repaired vehicle and the vehicle identity checked on whatever date, something or other. Contrary to popular belief, the VIC isn't an inspection of the quality of a chassis repair. Neither is an MOT really as they don't have the equipment - a chassis only needs to be a tiny bit out and a tester isn't going to start measuring it up with lasers or whatever.
Now I've no idea about this specific car, but it is worth bearing in mind that Cat B doesn't always mean the chassis could never be fixed - practically everything can be fixed if you had the time/money/equipment, look at all these classic cars which have been dredged up from lakes or whatever. I understand that most older cars don't really get a proper inspection too, so the difference between Cat B/C can often be based on opinion. One interesting thing I was told is that if there is an obvious death in the car, insurers escalate to a Cat B as default. However, this doesn't even have to mean there was contact - there are perfectly good cars kicking about in yards as a result of someone being shot to death in it, etc. Though unless you know the story, it is probably safe to assume as default a Cat B has been crashed and check it out as such. Likewise, don't assume a Cat C is always a "cheap" repair - often it isn't clear until someone actually starts doing the work just how repairable all of this actually is (hence why insurers don't like to get involved!).
One final point is that I'm told some insurers can be a bit "funny" about insuring cars which have been previously written off, but I haven't really heard anything better than "friend of a friend" type stories.
Hope some of that information helps in any investigation of the whole "write-offs" scenario, though I'd like to underline that I'm not involved with the insurance industry so don't just take everything I've said as fact. There is a lot of rubbish info out there so if you're interested in buying a car like this, all I would say is to seek proper advice from someone who knows, preferably has done it. The system as it stands is nowhere as clear-cut as people like to make out (and probably needs overhauling to be honest).
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Would absolutely suck if that got broken/scrapped/raced as it's cool as hell! Unless its an unsafe death trap in which case the dirt oval is probably the best place for it.
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Yeah, I know what you are saying. A seriously rusted and repaired car could be just as badly out of shape as a smashed and straightened one. And equally or more unsafe. I supposed one could ask the DVLA about putting it back on the road. Although if it has an active V5C / ID their part in the deal is over? I've also heard tell of people who could not insure a car which has been total-loss on the register. Not sure if that's because insurers don't want to pay on the same car twice or regard it as a greater risk for a higher level of injury etc. due to extensive repairs. As you say, unless you know the story why a car is Cat B its hard to say if its worth bothering with or not.
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Last Edit: Aug 6, 2011 7:46:52 GMT by akku
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Would absolutely suck if that got broken/scrapped/raced as it's cool as hell! Unless its an unsafe death trap in which case the dirt oval is probably the best place for it. Fair point, but even if it is, it could be sorted with enough time/work/money.... Like Hirst said, someone could have died in it, and tbh I don't think I'd feel comfortable having a car with that history. Aren't cars in that situation automatically Cat A though? I'm sure I read it somewhere, unless it was cars with actual bits of dead people in...
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