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Jul 22, 2011 14:23:39 GMT
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i currently own a d reg 1.6 mk3 capper, and i appear to have come across a slighyly tuned 2.8 v6.
the engine/gbox etc swap is something i can do no issues, however how long is my diff liable 2 stay in 1 smooth moving lump for with the jump up in power/torque, is a 2.8 back end a "must do"?
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Jul 22, 2011 14:26:02 GMT
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mate used to have a 2.8i with a 1.6 back end, was rapid acceleration, but it wasnt a great cruiser, the diffs arent exactly weak, so would last a good long while, assuming its in a good condition now, but i would say for a comfortable compromise fit a 2ltr rear axle, slightly better ratios for cruising and still good acceleration
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Jul 22, 2011 14:28:08 GMT
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diff/car has done 38k from new, so diff is as you would expect for a car of that age, its very rarely used to travel more than 20-30 miles at a time so it not being a great cruiser isnt an issue realy, suppose with all these things if you don't go stupid with the right foot, itl tolerate within reason what it gets
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Jul 22, 2011 14:47:52 GMT
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Copey when you say not great for cruising with the 1600 back end, what sort of revs to speed was it?
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Jul 22, 2011 14:52:48 GMT
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i cant remember tbh mate
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Jul 22, 2011 15:09:21 GMT
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Would it be any different to a normal 1.6? If i put a different engine in my car but kept the rest of it the same, i'd still get the same revs at cruising speeds right?
Sorry I'm probably having a bit of a blonde moment :/
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Jul 22, 2011 15:16:22 GMT
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My 2.8 had a 1.6 back end in fact I'm going back to that as the Slipper is making odd noises. I hammered the 1.6 axle and it was fine, the take off was quicker I didnt notice any issues cruising but TBH "Its a Capri just love the experience" LOL.
But answer to your question no its not a must do, the 1.6 axle will hold up.
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Jul 22, 2011 15:21:19 GMT
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Would it be any different to a normal 1.6? If I put a different engine in my car but kept the rest of it the same, i'd still get the same revs at cruising speeds right? Sorry I'm probably having a bit of a blonde moment :/ different engines need different gearing, both on the box and on the axle, its just a case of trial and error, Nicks capper has a 1.6 axle with a 2ltr pinto and that does rev a bit higher than mine did with the 2ltr axle, he is wanting to swap to a 2ltr as it drives him nuts on the way to shows
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Jul 22, 2011 15:54:08 GMT
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The axle code is right on the data tag under the bonnet. It's likely to be either a 3.75 (typical for a Pinto 1.6L) or a 3.89 (typical for a Kent 1.6L).
I think you'll find it unsatisfactory in terms of sustained highway use if it's one of those 2 ratios.
The 3.75 ratio uses a shed-load of CROWN teeth to achieve that ratio, and they are particularly thin teeth. If you're going to lob lower launches on it with frequency, and it really is a 3.75 behind a healthy-tuned 2.8L, mmmmmm..... could be a fail on the CROWN teeth - they are quite slender in that particular mesh.
If you want rapid launches a 3.44 or a 3.22 is a better compromise.
But, hell, check your data tag first for letter code on the old girl.
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Jul 22, 2011 16:28:19 GMT
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Is it the same köln axle as in the cortina/taunus 1.6? Mine held 2 weeks behind a 2 litre..
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Jul 22, 2011 16:47:54 GMT
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My 3.89 lasted two championship seasons behind a 156HP 2.0L, winning around 24 poles, 20 races, and 22 track records. And it's still not been rebuilt, nor leaks, nor shows any signs of abuse.
The Koln axle is the European "Ford 9 inch". It's used by everybody, as a baddass mofo axle for rally and race. Zakspeed put 700+ HP down through Koln axle regularly, and those with alloy center sections!
But if your Koln is a pile of unmaintained ruins, it won't last any longer than a disrepaired pisspoor 9-inch Ford NASCAR axle.
I now re-furl my Captain Obvious cape.
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Jul 22, 2011 17:06:15 GMT
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Reminds me of a MkIV Cortina Estate I had over 20 years ago...
It was originally a 1.6, and being an Estate had the lowest axle ratio across the whole range. When I got it, it had had a 2.0 pinto fitted, so it took off quite nicely and would red-line in 4th ;D (that of course being its top gear)
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Jul 22, 2011 17:14:19 GMT
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The axle will take the power and will only break down if you abuse it. The key issue is as Copey says, different engines need different gearing. The V6 will rev easily, but it has more torque than your 1600, thus a matching axle ratio is appropriate to stop it feeling out of puff when cruising, thus making use of the extra torque.
As an example - my P100 runs a cologne with the original commercial axle (very strong but even lower geared for pulling weight), so at 75/80mph it is puffing hard and at 90 it is about done, whilst at the other end of scale first gear is pretty useless for me unless heavily loaded. Where as a 2.8 Capri will cruise at 75 and feel relaxed and Capri's have been known to top the ton on private property (My P100 cannot).
My advice - start with the 1.6 axle and see how you feel with it. If you want something more tractable I'd go for the 2.8 ratio.
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Jul 22, 2011 17:31:44 GMT
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As an example - my P100 runs a cologne with the original commercial axle (very strong but even lower geared for pulling weight), so at 75/80mph it is puffing hard and at 90 it is about done, whilst at the other end of scale first gear is pretty useless for me unless heavily loaded. Where as a 2.8 Capri will cruise at 75 and feel relaxed and Capri's have been known to top the ton on private property (My P100 cannot). i've got this problem at the minute. my 24v has around 200bhp but has the 3.44 diff from a 2.0 litre car. first gear is pretty useless and the motorway comfort zone is around 60mph at about 2500rpm. it's alright for street driving and it goes like a stabbed rat but i'm currently on the lookout for a 3.09 from a 2.8 to make it a little more quiet and fuel efficient on a run. the savage acceleration is fun but i spend a lot of time cruising in 5th at 65mph which is super boring. not sure how much of that acceleration i'll sacrifice but i'm going to give it a try.
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Jul 22, 2011 18:27:31 GMT
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Is it the same köln axle as in the cortina/taunus 1.6? Mine held 2 weeks behind a 2 litre.. No capris used the atlas only cortinas used the curse word chocolate Koln axle and Euro spec Mk1/2 escorts, best avoided like the clap ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Remember the lower the gear the more torque at the wheels so more likely to break traction, lower isn't allways faster off the line is standard form ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Jul 22, 2011 19:22:45 GMT
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Koln axle = Atlas in Norm-speak. If there's another Cologne-sourced axle other than the Atlas, Bortie, I was unaware of it. Sorry for any corn fusion. All Capri axles I'm speaking of in my above commentary are Atlases as supplied on the Koln Capri assembly-line. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Jul 22, 2011 20:37:35 GMT
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As an example - my P100 runs a cologne with the original commercial axle (very strong but even lower geared for pulling weight), so at 75/80mph it is puffing hard and at 90 it is about done, whilst at the other end of scale first gear is pretty useless for me unless heavily loaded. Where as a 2.8 Capri will cruise at 75 and feel relaxed and Capri's have been known to top the ton on private property (My P100 cannot). i've got this problem at the minute. my 24v has around 200bhp but has the 3.44 diff from a 2.0 litre car. first gear is pretty useless and the motorway comfort zone is around 60mph at about 2500rpm. it's alright for street driving and it goes like a stabbed rat but i'm currently on the lookout for a 3.09 from a 2.8 to make it a little more quiet and fuel efficient on a run. the savage acceleration is fun but I spend a lot of time cruising in 5th at 65mph which is super boring. not sure how much of that acceleration i'll sacrifice but i'm going to give it a try. With the extra power of the 24V you really do need the 2.8 diff. Do you know what gearbox has been used in the conversion? I used the type 9 as fitted to the 1. ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) as it also has the longer input shaft and can be found for pennies. This has shorter first and second ratios, giving me the extra short first - made it perfect for regular towing duties, but am regretting the money saving over the v6 box now. (note it also has smaller bearings inside so is a little weaker). Without thread hijacking - a solid top plate to the type 9 box (or the real thing from Burtons if you can afford it), adds some strength to the casing if you're going to be giving it some.
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Jul 24, 2011 21:38:47 GMT
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Koln axle = Atlas in Norm-speak. If there's another Cologne-sourced axle other than the Atlas, Bortie, I was unaware of it. Sorry for any corn fusion. All Capri axles I'm speaking of in my above commentary are Atlases as supplied on the Koln Capri assembly-line. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I'm sorry for the confusion, what's the axle called that was factory fitted to my belgian built taunus?
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Jul 24, 2011 22:54:12 GMT
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Koln axle = Atlas in Norm-speak. If there's another Cologne-sourced axle other than the Atlas, Bortie, I was unaware of it. Sorry for any corn fusion. All Capri axles I'm speaking of in my above commentary are Atlases as supplied on the Koln Capri assembly-line. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I'm sorry for the confusion, what's the axle called that was factory fitted to my belgian built taunus? koln or coln, ford called it the type A or light duty axle in the taunus/cortina not sure what they called it in the escort though ? Genraly it's the koln (type A) or the atlas (type B) in cortina/escort circles, never offerd in the capri (as far as i know?) so i guess there's no lable for it? hense the confusion (more down to me than you mate ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) )
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