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Jul 18, 2006 10:08:17 GMT
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Last Edit: Jul 18, 2006 10:10:26 GMT by samyboy
once again rocking with 1117cc and 4 gears!
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Jul 18, 2006 10:11:32 GMT
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Electric!
WTF! ;D
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Old Fords never die they just go sideways
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Jul 18, 2006 10:11:41 GMT
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Yowser! Electrically powered you say?
*Thinks evil, dirty milk-float thoughts*
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Jul 18, 2006 10:14:38 GMT
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*Thinks evil, dirty milk-float thoughts* I know where there's a couple...... ;D
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Jul 18, 2006 11:01:30 GMT
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its funny as ive been looking at electric cars over the last few days, this company - www.commutercars.com/do a stock road legal electric car available now, that does a 12 sec quarter, 0-60 in 4 seconds and has over 1000ft/lb of torque! 150mph top speed, or alter the gearing in the quick change back axle to get over 170mph or below 3 sec 0-60! mentalist! And lordy lord, look at that dish!! J
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Jul 18, 2006 11:12:33 GMT
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dish? Look at the rest of it?
Looks like an east european home-made replica of a Smart car which has been narrowed about 18".
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 18, 2006 11:42:48 GMT
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The final production model looks a little different, the finish is much better and the lights are different. But it makes so much sence, 100 mile range on shoddy lead acid cells, LiIon cels would be lighter and much higher power density so the range would go up to around 300 miles.
Ok so it does look strange, but hey imagine this technology applied to a better chassis design, id go for a zero emission three second to sixty car, and id house it in a retro shell!
J
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Jul 18, 2006 11:57:52 GMT
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Its called Tango and yes it does go like Foo* ;D Was engineered at Prodrive ready for production..... way too expensive though Theres a video on the site of him autotesting it and it is seriously quick Mr George Clooney has the 1st one, but the range drops off as soon as you start putting big hills in the equation..... he has changed Battery packs to try and alleiviate that problem, but none of them are quite as safe as Lead acid where high voltages/demand are concerned..... the fire risk goes up quite a lot
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Jul 18, 2006 11:59:49 GMT
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This stuff is -| |- <- this close to working isn't it
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Jul 18, 2006 12:00:38 GMT
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Ah well...It's only George Clooney...
*n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Jul 18, 2006 12:05:53 GMT
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Yeah it is Mr HotWire,
Ive worked quite a lot with Li-Ion cells and they are fine as long as they are used within their limits, and the on-board controls wont let the cells outside of their operating range.
With the amount of energy that needs to be expelled from the cells to the motors large amounts of heat is produced, i wonder if inter-cell cooling of somekind could be used?
If only just some of the money that comes from petrol tax could go towards renewable energy transport, we would have it here now and working, with lots of different options for cells, power, speed, DAMN IT, DAMN THEM ALL!
J
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Jul 18, 2006 12:06:12 GMT
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Those wheels/slicks NEED to go on my Pizzle Anyone seen the leccy bug run at Santa Pod? It's fast
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Jul 18, 2006 12:20:04 GMT
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He's OK is old George Clooney.
Reckon I look a little like him actually, (only better).
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 18, 2006 12:20:53 GMT
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Yeah it is Mr HotWire, Ive worked quite a lot with Li-Ion cells and they are fine as long as they are used within their limits, and the on-board controls wont let the cells outside of their operating range. With the amount of energy that needs to be expelled from the cells to the motors large amounts of heat is produced, i wonder if inter-cell cooling of somekind could be used? If only just some of the money that comes from petrol tax could go towards renewable energy transport, we would have it here now and working, with lots of different options for cells, power, speed, DAMN IT, DAMN THEM ALL! J They are great for High power small applications like Cameras, laptops and mobile phones etc but they are not so nice to work with at Higher capacities and voltages, the controls are limited as to what they can physically do, and the Cells can and do Ignite which is not good. We were running bench tests on Li-ion at 54v and 100A draw peak, didnt take long for a Nasty "Thermal Event" You do also have to be careful with regards to the whole renewable energy argument when it comes to electric vehicles, as the way the electricity used in the first place has to be factored in to it and very little of that is actually produced from renewable energy. The Hydrogen Fuel cell bike I was working on is properly "Green" as the only emmisions are water and it doesnt need plugging in to the mains Electric power is good for Drag racing as 100% of the Power/torque is available from standstill, its a totally linear power delivery ;D
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Jul 18, 2006 12:40:11 GMT
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You do also have to be careful with regards to the whole renewable energy argument when it comes to electric vehicles, as the way the electricity used in the first place has to be factored in to it and very little of that is actually produced from renewable energy. But thats what we have nuclear power for,...
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racer86
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'72 BMW 2002 / '72 Alpine A110 Gordini
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Jul 18, 2006 12:45:21 GMT
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Jul 18, 2006 13:05:10 GMT
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hydrogen fuel cells anry carbon neutral either! Where does hydrogen come from? electrolosys! And the elxectrixity come from mmmmmmm really gone off animals!
Honda have a small island that generates the electric from wave power (i think) that then elctrolises sea water to power its fleet of hydrogen powered cars.
Its funny, i just wateched an objection for some wind turbines on the south coast, they showed a picture of what it ouwld be like with and without them. What they missed is the third picture of what it would be like if we just carried on as we are, burnt, scorched, uninhabitable landscape! Bunch of blinkered narrowminded ideots!
J
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Jul 18, 2006 13:13:43 GMT
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In Finland one of the large logging companies has its own nuclear power station!! .. on its own island!! ... now thats hardcore!
I've got a friend who works for some World nuclear power agency, formerly he worked for Nuclear Engineering magazine, he was at a conference this week in Sweden and one of the presentations was a 2 hour presentation about what Co2 is doing to the atmosphere,.. he said it was terrifying .... but then I guess its in Nuclears best interest to think like that.
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Jul 18, 2006 13:44:16 GMT
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hydrogen fuel cells anry carbon neutral either! Where does hydrogen come from? electrolosys! And the elxectrixity come from mmmmmmm really gone off animals! Honda have a small island that generates the electric from wave power (i think) that then elctrolises sea water to power its fleet of hydrogen powered cars. Its funny, i just wateched an objection for some wind turbines on the south coast, they showed a picture of what it ouwld be like with and without them. What they missed is the third picture of what it would be like if we just carried on as we are, burnt, scorched, uninhabitable landscape! Bunch of blinkered narrowminded ideots! J don't get me wrong J, I`m with you on this, I work in the automotive industry and it is terrifying how little R&D is being put into alternative propulsion methods The "Hydrogen Island" of which you speak, has a High annual rainfall with a number of Lakes in the mountains, so they use predominantly Hydro electric to create the hydrogen. This is the problem of many schemes, when the weather is right you can get the power , but you have to use it there and then, which is great if it coincides with demand but what if it doesnt ? Thats why they are looking at Hydrogen, not so much as just a fuel , but it is a reasonably effective way of storing electricity that would otherwise be wasted, they use excess electricity to generate it, then it can be stored and reused via Fuel cells to release the electricity again when needed. The reliance on Fossil fuels has to end..... and when it runs out (Not IF but When, because it is rapidly depleting) we are talking death and famine on a massive scale.... The cultural change in attitudes will take longer to bring about than the 30 years estimated for remaining oil reserves. Remind me when we went "Metric" again if you don't think it will be that much of a problem and how many Litres per Kilometer your car does Its a major issue, which does not appear to be treated as such by the majority, certainly within our industry We are more likely to start doing more Biofuel type vehicles than electric as that is seen as sustainable, despite what the intensive farming does to the earth......
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Jul 18, 2006 13:53:23 GMT
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Woah, this is a big can of worms, and an area of interest and wonder for me. I agree that $hit will hit the fan when oil runs out, maybe even before, reminds me why not to spent thousands on a car! Car prices will be fecked if theres no 'replacement engine' to go in... BTW fast electric drag cars. thats thinking outside the box isnt it? Edit: and I like that thing BI posted up with dished wheels i'd have one to zip about in, no probs!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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