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Jul 17, 2011 13:53:27 GMT
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OK, ive tried hitting the drum with a hammer, its on the rear of a mk1 belmont, tis still not wanting to move.
any more ideas on how to unstick it? reversing wont work either lol
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Jul 17, 2011 14:19:32 GMT
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Wheel off and car on axle stands, handbrake off. Hit the side of the drum with a fairly hefty (2lb ish) hammer, alternating between front and back to push the shoes in and release the drum. (imagine the drum is a clock, you want to hit at 3 and 9, but on the side not the front..) It often takes a LOT of hammering, and you will probably get all manner of dust and stuff falling out the bottom too.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Jul 17, 2011 14:36:23 GMT
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If its the same as an astra try pulling the handbrake cable or tapping it to free the shoes,other wise as stated above.
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Jul 17, 2011 14:45:45 GMT
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isnt there an adjuster cog you can get to thru one of the wheel nut holes with a flatblade screw driver to flick the adjustment back down.
all youll acomplish in repeatedly twatting the drum with a 2lb hammer is ovaling/distorting the drum.
if it doesnt come off with a couple of hits, then back the adjustment off.
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Jul 17, 2011 14:51:37 GMT
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i will have a look for the adjuster cog, i really need to get some axle stands and new trolley jack 1st lol its got nova 3 spoke alloys on so i was hitting it through that, one side then the other.
halfrauds have a set of stands, jack and rolly lay down thingy for £40, that should do for now!
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Jul 17, 2011 20:30:08 GMT
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If all else fails use a puller.
Hammer trick may work but be wary of cracking the drum or ovaling it. Please please do NOT use a standard claw hammer, the head is too small and may well cause the drum to crack. A copper faced mallet is what I would be using or wrapping a club hammer with some cloth should give a similar effect.
Oh and the halfords set is pretty good. The jack is sturdy, has a good reach and a wide track. Axle stands are well made, but the creeper does let it down a bit.
Ive been using the halfords jack and stands daily for 4 years now and never had a problem with them
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Jul 17, 2011 22:26:27 GMT
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Stands are good but I've never got on with a halfords jack, they are stable enough but the platform isn't wide enough to be useful. Plus they tend to damage everything I use them on.
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Jul 18, 2011 10:00:47 GMT
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If it has the wheel threads in the drum then make a puller up, a bit of thick steel with 2 holes for bolts into the threads then a central tapped bolt hole (or a bolt and nut) onto the end of the drivshaft.
Wind the central bolt in and it'll jack the drum off - or bend the steel...
The Porker's disc/drums on the rear had a nice extra convenient tapped hole in so you can just stick an M8 bolt in and wind the drum off...
Had to do similar on a few things on the Esprit, a bit of 1/4" steel plate is a versatile tool when required!
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Jul 18, 2011 12:27:13 GMT
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Yeah, good work fellas. Top advice there. It's a mk1 belmont, aka an astra.
First, you can't back the adjuster off because you can't reach it with the drum on.
Second, the wheel bolts pass through the front face of the drum into a hub so a puller won't help.
Third, I've been hitting them with hammers since the beggars were new and I haven't broken/ovalled a drum yet.
Fourth, read the OP's question! The drum is stuck, won't turn, is jammed..... backing off an adjuster won't cure this, it needs hammering!
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Jul 18, 2011 17:30:53 GMT
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Worth a try, and nothing to loose, is try pouring boiling water over the drum.
It's also a good way of freeing alloy wheels that have "glued" themselves to a drum.
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Jul 18, 2011 21:21:57 GMT
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Hit it harder  Boiling water's great for unseizing stuff. I've had much success with stubborn spokes in motorcycle rims by boiling them up in a big pan on the hob. Has worked a number of times when flames failed, need a big pan for a car though ;D |
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Jul 18, 2011 23:22:36 GMT
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Yeah, good work fellas. Top advice there. It's a mk1 belmont, aka an astra. First, you can't back the adjuster off because you can't reach it with the drum on. Second, the wheel bolts pass through the front face of the drum into a hub so a puller won't help. Third, I've been hitting them with hammers since the beggars were new and I haven't broken/ovalled a drum yet. Fourth, read the OP's question! The drum is stuck, won't turn, is jammed..... backing off an adjuster won't cure this, it needs hammering! what he says. although i did smash my first drum in 10 years last week. i was using a 5ft sledgehammer with full over-my-head swings, on a car that he been stud with the drums UNDER WATER for a considerable amount of time- i was actually intending to smash it off cos it had delaminated, but i didnt want to damage the backplate. if you have arms big enough that you can smash or oval a normal good-condition drum with a lump hammer, youre either a power-lifter or spend an inordinate amount of time pleasuring yourself! |
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I'm still wondering how you oval a cast iron drum, last time i checked it wasn't exactly what I'd call malleable...
10 years of hammering off seized brake drums often on a weekly basis (i seem to have a special line in customers with manky old abused vans and 4x4's) and the worst I've ever managed to do was chip the lip off one...
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ok, so no point me looking to adjust it... i need to get a bigger hammer and hit it harder.
once its on good axle stands.
once ive done that, and if i get it free, should i look at getting the drum off and tryin to refurb the brakes?
other wheels are all free, but its stuck in my way at the moment, ive moved it couple times with that wheel stuck which i know isnt a great idea.
i just need to get it mobile, and running ok to pop it in for a mot, I'm sure he wants to play some more!
thanks for your help chaps, will get a hammer and let you know how it goes/ask for more advice lol
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^ yes, once it frees up, pull the drum off and inspect the inside. Drums normally lock on for one of two reasons - either a piece of friction material snaps off and wedges itself between the drum and the shoe or the wheel cylinder is leaking and the whole drum ends up full of stinky black gunk. Even if you find nothing wrong, there is no reason not to pull the drum off and have a look when you are 90% there anyway. Just don't go pressing the brake pedal before you put it back on |
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Jul 19, 2011 12:35:09 GMT
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Even if you find nothing wrong, there is no reason not to pull the drum off and have a look when you are 90% there anyway. Just don't go pressing the brake pedal before you put it back on Unless for some uknown reason you want the shoes spread so wide that the drum no longer fits. If for some reason this does happen assusming its a standard ratchet adjuster use a screw driver to raise the little tang and push the shoes back together by hand |
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Jul 19, 2011 15:51:02 GMT
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Even if you find nothing wrong, there is no reason not to pull the drum off and have a look when you are 90% there anyway. Just don't go pressing the brake pedal before you put it back on Unless for some uknown reason you want the shoes spread so wide that the drum no longer fits. If for some reason this does happen assusming its a standard ratchet adjuster use a screw driver to raise the little tang and push the shoes back together by hand wrong. you need to crack the bleed nipple and let out the extra fluid youve just pumped through that shouldnt be there. |
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Jul 19, 2011 15:55:56 GMT
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 I love this thread, it's making my curse word day bearable!!
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Jul 19, 2011 19:54:03 GMT
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I love this thread, it's making my curse word day bearable!! +1 This thread is 50% full of epic advice, and 50% full of proper advice. I had to remove some seized on Mini drums very recently (all six of them ) and it took the combined force of the 'special hammer' and the standard issue lump hammer to get the shoes free enough to remove the drums. Did I end up with egg shaped drums? LOL. |
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Jul 19, 2011 20:06:57 GMT
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I enjoyed Paul's suggestion that you should use a copper faced hammer. I have one, and it was far too expensive to ruin completely by hitting brake drums with it! Imagine the mess the rough cast iron is going to make of that nice rounded copper head  |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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I love this thread, it's making my curse word day bearable!!
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