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Righto lads.. The 944, a good looking, good stoping well built car with one of the best chassis ever. But....not fast unless 3.0 or turbo form. Porsche prices rule out these conversions on lesser cars with the engines costing around £1200 for a 3.0 (211 hp) and 2k for a turbo (220/250hp) I know some engines are cheaper on ebay, but after you have the ECU, AFM, clutch ect this is the price. So, what do we have? the 2.5 8v 163 hp, 2.7 8v 165 hp, 2.5 16v 190hp - nothing to push you in your seat. Some say the Audi 5 cylinder engines bolt up, but again to make it worth the effort of making sumps, mounts exhausts ect it would need to be a 20v turbo 230hp engine - this would cost not much less than a 3.0 16v porsche engine! I would be happy with 250hp from the original engine with forced/ind, but if I do and engine coversion (must be cheap engine) it must produce serious power or be easily capable. So here are the options- Turbo/ supercharge the original? Volvo T5? Audi 4.2 V8? Other ideas please, also I'm not sure if non slant engines will clear the bonnet. The benifit of going forced induction is no messing with mounts,clutches,bellhousing,sump, and if it breaks another lump is only £250 Benifit of a propper turbo charged package is propper rods,pistons, management ect.. should be able to produce monster power.. So swings and roundabouts, pic love-
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i have thought of this before with a t5 engine. you can easy get 300bhp out if it(plus there cheap). but what it would be like to get it to fit i don't know
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2JZ-GTE? RB26DETT?
Impreza turbo engines are cheap enough right?
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Last Edit: Jul 5, 2011 22:40:44 GMT by Soopahfly
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don't think a flat 4 would go between the chassic rails?
An RB 26 would cost same as the porsche turbo lump, not sure on the supra though.
I like the idea of not having 4 cylinders.
If i work out the best conversion & facts and the parts then i will have them made in bulk, in the Us there seems to be more 944s with LS1 coversions than standard cars, they even have a forum!
It seems nobody is happy with the performance unless the have a tunes turbo.
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This is something I too have been pondering as I originally wanted a turbo (and still do) how ever I keep getting drawn back to the original 944 turbo lump for ease if nothing else, although they are more expensive all the leg works been done etc.
A lad on the farm were my workshop is breaks a lot of audis esp stuff with the 20v turbo in and has said before to take a look when he was stripping one down to see if the engine would fit a 944. I came to the conclusion that it would fit but not easily and as you said they arnt cheap but they are tunable. (we do hybrid turbos for him too at work and he's seen some good figures)
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Interesting, the guy who built the white one above says the audi lump almost fits the bellhousing, only minor mods needed, but had to modify the manifolds/sump. Did you mean the 4 or 5 cylinder 20v?
I like the idea of the audi lump, its kind of family, it was originaly their car. I'm also told the transaxle is the same as audi and the bellhousing on a 944 is just this reversed, so in theory audi's "almost" fit. Want to try one myself to get some facts, and asses difficulty.
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If you want measurements of a 2GZ-GE let me know, there's one in my car. Non turbo though
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V8 would be lovely.
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It was a 5 cylinder in the K reg ish 100 s4/s6's. Admitidly I got no further than looking (no measurements were taken and the engine was still in the car partially stripped) the next time I saw him he had sold it but said if he gets another he will let me know. I have a spare 944 bell housing I would like to try for fit.
The engine in the audi looked very wide with manifold and turbo, pas and air con all still attached but in your pics it doesn't look too bad - do you have a link to any of those builds or similar? I suppose they mount similarly on a sub frame?
If you want to keep the 944 as your daily there would be a fair amount of work involved in any conversion as I'm sure your aware even if the motor 'fits' you still need inlet manifold, exh manifold and exhaust down pipe, intercooler and pipework, coolant pipework, management, engine mounts and the possible need to re position other items in the engine bay. That's befor you come across any bits that don't fit or arnt straight forward.
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If you want measurements of a 2GZ-GE let me know, there's one in my car. Non turbo though Interesting, if it worked as the guy who built the black 700hp car at the top used a supra 2jz gearbox as the 944 was too weak. I would be doing it the other way around. He fitted a coventional diff, lost the transaxle, welded a transmission tunnel in it, and used the supra box withan adapter for the audi 5cyl 20v.
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A 5 cylinder would be real cool no matter how much work they are furher still a V8!! I'm going to bed with my brain wering again!
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small block chevy. as you say, its been done quite a few times so is a tried and trusted route, they're the most tuned engine in the world, and pound for pony, i think youd struggle to beat it as there SO much cheap s/h stuff around.
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It was a 5 cylinder in the K reg ish 100 s4/s6's. Admitidly I got no further than looking (no measurements were taken and the engine was still in the car partially stripped) the next time I saw him he had sold it but said if he gets another he will let me know. I have a spare 944 bell housing I would like to try for fit. The engine in the audi looked very wide with manifold and turbo, pas and air con all still attached but in your pics it doesn't look too bad - do you have a link to any of those builds or similar? I suppose they mount similarly on a sub frame? If you want to keep the 944 as your daily there would be a fair amount of work involved in any conversion as I'm sure your aware even if the motor 'fits' you still need inlet manifold, exh manifold and exhaust down pipe, intercooler and pipework, coolant pipework, management, engine mounts and the possible need to re position other items in the engine bay. That's befor you come across any bits that don't fit or arnt straight forward. It would have to be a fully useable bulletproof conversion, I would use it everyday. I'm familiar with the troubles of engine conversions, and I realise the task is even worse in a 944 with the low bonnet, alloy crossmember, and using torque tube/rear transmission. But I think its time this 944 conversion was sussed as there is nothing out there for them and the car doesnt cut it as is. There is a build thread on the black car, but its in swedish and the pics have exceeded bandwith so not good. I don't speak swedish but my family do and it was partly translated to me. I had the thread for the white non tubo 20v car, the link is in the youtube thread, info usefull but the N/A is a bit different. He stated which clutch parts to use ect though.
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Hero! lot of mucking about though, wouldnt want to do that to my shell tbh.
I think il have a chat with Dave, see if he is up for us developing the conversion on ine of his shells and then swapping it into my car when it fits/runs - less time off the road, and nothing to reverse if it goes tits up. (plus dave can have one too)
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That one's an NA-T, but GTE's should be cheap enough.
Buy a Soarer, strip the bits you need and sell/squash the rest.
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This one gets my vote:
The LS1 bolts straight up to the torque tube too*
*this may not be entirely true
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If I lived in America this would already have happend, but I feel it would be a struggle in the UK. I'll browse the Ls1 944 forums and see whats what, as the v8 sound and 944 shape are like a woman who is good looking and intelligent, a desirable combination. A quick check reveals they cost more that a 944 turbo engine which bolts straight in, and can be made as fast with a chip. Almost worth it for the sound though.
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V8's are reserved for the girliest of girly girls when compared to a "quad turbo, quad cam, 48V, all alloy, 6L V12, webbed & cross-bolted, forged crank" That's apparently good for 1000 bhp on 95ron fuel.
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Last Edit: Jul 6, 2011 0:17:09 GMT by Soopahfly
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