Pug engine on LDV box info?

not sure which code or name the box used by LDV has, but it'll be bolted to a pug engine in a Pilot/200, not sure if they were used in the Convoy/400.

LDV convoy uses a ford engine - gearbox won't bolt-up. You need a gearbox from an LDV Pilot, they pretty much exclusively use the XUD9 (1.9 non-turbo XUD engine)

I'm currently putting a XUD11 (the 2.1) into my Reliant scimitar, using a Pilot gearbox.


By far, the easiest way to get it fitted, is to get the whole engine/gearbox from a Pilot, make it fit, and just run it, to sort out any niggles. Trying to turbo the non-turbo XUD is a VERYbad idea! Would spit its conrods out the side of the block after anything more than mild boost/power


To make a XUD engine fit, you'd need:

# LDV spigot bearing (I got mine for less than a fiver from a DAF dealer) Different size compared to the normal pug/citroen spigot bearing.

# Either the Pilot flywheel + clutch, which limits you to the smaller non-turbo clutch. Or, use a pug 306 HDi flywheel, along with the HDi pressure plate, and a clutch that's 228mm diameter,with a 23 spline centre. The clutch from a Ford Galaxy seems to fit the bill quite nicely, but I'm using one from a 1600 Capri (225mm, close enough) If you try to use the standard XUD style flywheel, the pressure plate is a PULL to release style - which means you'll never be able to disengage the clutch . The HDi setup, and the LDVsetup, use the normal PUSH to release, setup.

# The clutch release is hydraulic, using the same slave cylinder as a Reliant Scimitar (and more than likely, a million other cars)

# The engine support brackets - you can either do as I have, and make use of the existing mounts,or get the cast-iron brackets that bolt to the side of the LDV Pilot engine, and then use a more common setup of one mount either-side of the engine.

# the propshaft is the very common Ford design, so many props actually bolt straight up!


Obviously, get an older engine, as it's more likely to have a Bosch fuel pump - the lucas ones aren't particularly strong, and whilst I have the 2.1 engine - it's nowhere near as common as the 1.9s, and there's not that much difference in power





and a link to my build thread

retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=readersrides&thread=103235&page=4

Most 2.1tds came with the lucas semi-ecu controlled tripe, The older 2.1tds in xms and 605 have a better chance of having an all mechanical bosch pump. If you cannot find an older style 2.1td pump without the electrical curse word then you can bolt on the bosch fuel pump from a 1.9td, this is tried and tested. Will run with it.

Oh right, a good friend of mine has a 2.1tdi estate and that thing manages 40+ consistently even with him driving like a tit all the time. Got 34 towing a Metro to Germany and back, plus it's on 207000 miles. It does help that I/we live in a rural area, so most miles are on fast flowing open a-roads. Might have to think about a 1.9 to make it more worth while, but I don't want to be having to thrash it everywhere.

From my experience, the 2.1 is a much nicer setup than the 1.9.

It never went BELOW 40 either mind :-)

totally separate body / engine looms, quite simple on the xud's too

nothing stopping you fitting a HDi lump actually, you'd need to use a pre-multiplex ecu+loom to save a lot of work, but physically they're damn close to the xud's.

for fuel supply you'd just need some form of electric lift pump to supply fuel at around 3 bar to the high pressure unit that's timing belt driven.

LOTS of mods available for them, BMW HP pumps, remaps and bigger intercoolers seems to be the most common ones.

Cheers again, engine will most likely come from a 406, as they're at prime scrap-yard fodder age/value at the moment, and common as muck.

After a quick browse on parkers the HDI's are quoted as getting 49mpg, vs the 2.1td at 39 (both in 406 estates), so a HDI may well be worth seriously looking at. As long as the box mounts up ok it sounds like it'd almost be an easier swap, as I could keep the standard flywheel and pressure plate.

When you say pre-multiplex ecu and loom would this limit me to the 90bhp version?

Edit, according to wikipedia, the 90 and 110bhp HDI's were both available in 406's as of 1999, which would suggest to me they were an optional thing, rather than an age thing, so logic would suggest that a pre-multiplex 110 exists.

HDi would be a very difficult swap, everything is ECU controlled.

How does the ECU control make the swap any harder?

I'll be using the donor cars engine loom whatever, it doesn't really bother me if this includes an ECU or not as long as it doesn't need matching to an immobiliser in the car loom or anything along those lines.