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Jun 22, 2006 22:23:49 GMT
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right, my sierra on ebay to break. bloke asks; [glow=red,2,300]Hi Building a car and trying to avoid a Q, if you are breaking do you have the docs for it? Am after a V5/vin plate[/glow] anyway, i think he's wanting to transfer the vin plates/v5, which i think is illegal (ie puts me in the s*it). so whats the storey morning glory? ta.
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Jun 22, 2006 22:24:56 GMT
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btw my reply is;
its got a v5 and loadsa mot left (aprilish), no tax. it does actually drive but i want the suspension and front brakes off it, and with them gone its more difficult to move. what you want to do is legal yeah?
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Jun 22, 2006 22:28:34 GMT
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I think what he's doing is not strictly legal, but he could 'buy the car off you' and as long as he filled in the V5 correctly and you sent off your bit of it, you would both be OK.
if that happened he could take the vin tag off it and you could weigh in the remains, no harm done to anyone.
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Jun 22, 2006 22:56:34 GMT
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If a certain percentage of parts come from one car then when it passes the SVA test it can be given the donor cars reg number. If there wasnt one particular donor vehicle then it will end up on a Q.
If he is planning on that then its not too bad, its not strictly legal but it happens a lot.
If he is just wanting to put the tags on and use as is then that is not good. Used to be relatively common before SVA and there are still quite a few cars kicking about with ford escort etc... on the logbook when the car is a dutton melos or some such bo11ox.
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Rob
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just make sue you get your docs properly filled in !
he can do what he wants as long as theres no paper trail...
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I would make sure he takes the car too so you can't get accused of 'ringing' but at the end of the day it's him doing it so he gets in trouble. However, it is illegal to sell just the logbook as far as I know.
From an SVA/Kitcar point of view by you taking the running gear off the car you haven't left him with enough of the original car to keep the reg if he wants to make it into a 'kit', so he would need to find other running gear and pretend it came off the original car.
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Jun 23, 2006 13:05:29 GMT
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say u can have the bare shell (or whatever remains) for a price... but he can take whatever he wants from it and u will crush the rest...
Rich
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bstardchild
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Jun 23, 2006 15:06:02 GMT
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IF a large number of major parts come form a single vehicle then the kit car can adopt the cars age related plate.....
IF parts are sourced from lots of different cars with no single vehicle then Q plate is allocated after SVA pass and an additional check to confirm that the parts are legit!!
What people do for V8 Rover engined and ford based kit cars is get a donor car
- change the log book to 3500cc and add the engine number of the V8 and then build a kit car from what was apparently a V8 Sierra or whatever.....
Age related plate is allocated or the original one is used can't remember which!!
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Jun 23, 2006 15:10:44 GMT
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You need an unmoddified original chassis, both axles and all original suspension (service parts may be changed) and then you can keep the original vehicle ID. If the original chassis is modified then its automatically a Q plate.
Dave, sell him the car complete and what he does withit is up to him. If you sell it on as a spares/repairs car then no harm, no fowl.
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bstardchild
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Jun 23, 2006 19:05:40 GMT
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You need an unmoddified original chassis, both axles and all original suspension (service parts may be changed) and then you can keep the original vehicle ID. If the original chassis is modified then its automatically a Q plate. Alistair - I think you are right about the original chassis being required to keep the original plate but it's not original plate or Q plate and thats your lot....... As most kit cars have a new chassis that has the donor cars parts added to it but you can still get an age related plate - supported by the age of the components/paperwork from the donor vehicle Swiped from DVLA site A. Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts. In order to retain the original registration mark: Cars and Car-Derived Vans must use: The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or A new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g. receipt) And two other major components from the original vehicle - see list below Suspension (front & back) Axles (both) Transmission Steering Assembly Engine C. Kit Cars Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer. Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a Certificate of Newness these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark. Kit cars which been built using not more than one reconditioned component will also be registered under a current mark. This is subject to the provision of satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an "as new" standard. An ESVA/SVA/MSVA test will be required. For details of the SVA scheme, please see Import Section. D. Kit Conversions This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body/chassis/monocoque bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration document/Certificate. A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis/bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An ESVA/SVA/MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle. Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an ESVA/SVA/MSVAcertificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated. SO thats clear as mud then
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Jun 23, 2006 20:04:19 GMT
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When I built my Bugrat, which is a kit car made from a tubular spaceframe chassis and uses Skoda mechanicals, I really wanted to use the donor car's reg number cos it was a car that meant a lot to me for personal reasons. I was not allowed to do this even though all the mechanicals came from the same Skoda because the chassis wasn't the original Skoda one. I was happy though cos I got an age related plate..and got to choose my own chassis number. Loads of people have personal reg plates...but how many have a personal chassis number!! ;D
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Jun 23, 2006 22:15:08 GMT
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Doesnt anybody on here feel a little uneasy about all this? Why does he want to avoid a "Q" plate so much? The car will be a kit car whatever parts he uses,it will be insured as a kit car and there enough specialist insurers out there that will be experienced enough not to penalise him because the car is sitting there with a "Q" registration number. Just sounds a bit fishy to me, cynical git that i am. Id want to see a pic of the "kit" first......................................
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Jun 24, 2006 15:50:50 GMT
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ill tell him if he has it he's got to take the remains. ta!
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Jun 24, 2006 16:42:30 GMT
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i'd tell him to bring a trailer, and when you've finished breaking it of suspension/engine/trans/interior and so on he can have the whole shell, complete with legally transferred V5 (i.e. you post off the first page, he keeps the little slip).
benefits are that you no longer need to have the shell collected, and if there is anything dodgy about it at all you're covered, you can just say you sold it as a project car to complete.
selling a VIN is dodgy, and although his intentions appear harmless it could still get you into trouble i guess. i understand why he wants to avoid a Q (generally they just don't sell for as much, you can't put a private plate on them, and some insurers will laugh at you) but it just gives me the creeps!
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Last Edit: Jun 24, 2006 16:43:50 GMT by Pillock
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bstardchild
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Doesnt anybody on here feel a little uneasy about all this? Why does he want to avoid a "Q" plate so much? The car will be a kit car whatever parts he uses,it will be insured as a kit car and there enough specialist insurers out there that will be experienced enough not to penalise him because the car is sitting there with a "Q" registration number. Just sounds a bit fishy to me, cynical git that i am. Id want to see a pic of the "kit" first...................................... To be honest I think a lot of people decide to build a kit car having never done it before - buy the basic kit and then scavange scrap yards for bits as they need them - they get almost all the way to the end and then start looking at the documentation that comes with the SVA forms and go Fark - should have bought a donor car to avoid a Q Now if it's all Sierra based then it's not too hard to argue that all the bits came of any particular car
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