suffolkpaul
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Retro Free - just a pug 406 with 230k miles on it...
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Jun 14, 2006 23:10:54 GMT
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Sorry if this has been done before but their seem to be 2 main camps of Retro owner. those that are lovin the J-tin and those that run and molest the VW for mile after mile after mile.
I certainly lurv the passat as it seems tosolid and reliable and cheap to fix too.
never really owned an older J so cant really comment. they certainly seem to have character, especially the older ones, bu tare they a curse word to fix?? or do they never go wrong?
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J vs. GermanDarrenW
@darrenw
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Jun 14, 2006 23:15:57 GMT
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I like them all - Japanese, German, French, Italian, East European, Australian... Whatever ;D
But, thinking about it, I DO tend to find myself lusting at BMs, VWs and Opels more than anything else... Not really sure why though...
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Jun 14, 2006 23:18:04 GMT
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Some of the J tin realy fascinates me and I adore it. Likewise, I love some of the older Mercs, but my affiliation for German tin kind of ends there . . .I've never been much of a dub person, but that doesn't mean I don't admire or lust for the cars etc I like early RX7's too, or any of the obscure Mazdas...or the AE's....oh god, I've made a great non-point here ;D But brit for me at the moment
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Jun 14, 2006 23:18:54 GMT
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i like both aswell. shame there isnt a both option on the poll......
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Jun 14, 2006 23:38:08 GMT
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Obviously my passion is for Japanese cars ;D The only reason I took a liking to Datsuns in the first place was their reliability and they ease of maintanance. They are most definately easy cars to work on and modify. The only German cars I have had have both been VW's... A Mk1 Jetta and a Mk2 Golf. The Jetta was a great apart from minor electrical gremlins but the Mk2 seemed to suffer a few problems. The fuse box was constantly troublesome (as it was on my Jetta) and the ignition switch packed in completely one morning and had to be replaced. I had to replacem the gearbox too after it became extremely noisy, mainly because all the oil leaked out somewhere (my GF was using it for work and never noticed the racket it was making . I think this car was was an exception though as everyone else I've known who had one had no real problems. The only reliability issues I have ever had with the Datsuns are usually caused by bodgery by previous owners. The only real problem is rust. Earlier models like the 510 can have electrcal problems caused by corroded fuse boxes as they are under bonnet rather than under dash but mechanically they seem to last and last. I can't really compare them with the VW's I had as the Datsuns are generally a lot older though.
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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Nick
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i own both ..supra and e30's..both similar cars in a way, both feel totally different and have their own qualities.. and both suffer from some serious metal cancer....i cant choose.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Saru
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No Brand Loyalty
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Being in Australia, modern J-tin is easier to fix than Euro stuff, mainly because J stuff come RHD and most Euro stuff has had compromises, usually to do with packaging, made in the LHD/RHD switch.
As for older stuff, having owned a 69 MGB and now a 69 Mazda, they're about the same level of complexity/simplicity. But there's not dedicated old-school Mazda workshop that I'm aware of and there's at least two for MGs in my city.
As to RX-7s, having owned a 20 year old one for about 4 years, driven it daily and not had anything do wrong with it - they're awesome. Problems with farily sensible RXs tend to be the same as most old cars - electrical and longer-term wear and tear items like suspension bushes, wheels bearings etc. Rotary specific problems come mainly from neglect, willful abuse or people doing stupid stuff like advancing the timing, getting pre-detonation and blowing their apex seals out their exhaust.
VWs are a special case, IMO, because they're so, so simple (so it seems to me outside of the scene). Other stuff like BMWs, Audis etc has a reputation here for being expensive to fix when they break.
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Last Edit: Jun 15, 2006 1:18:55 GMT by Saru
1974 Saab 99 EMSI bought a new car. It's 35 years old. My friends said I was mad. We'll see.
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I like all cars, and have had a foot in all camps (except US cars - although I've had a US engine): J, German, Eastern bloc, Scandinavian, British and French and whilst I'm still open minded I think that the Japanese stuff somehow impresses me most. I'm aware that in their older cars it's just someone else's idea done properly, but that's not a bad thing as a J-owner.
Given a large sum of money though, a Triumph Herald would be car number one but I'd be adding a car from all the above to my collection.
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qwerty
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J vs. Germanqwerty
@qwerty
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I really love both but I've only ever owned VW's (apart from the shitroen Suxo I drive atm ) so I can only really comment on them. I love VW's had a Polo Coupe S which I paid £45 for and it qas awesome. Then my ma n pa bought me a Polo GT so I sold the Coupe S. Loved the GT but unfortunately I slid into a lampost in the snow. . All I can say about both little cars is that they rocked! We're pretty reliable, they never stranded me, but I did have to do a couple of repairs, petrol tank, and battery tray on the GT and TCA (but thats cos I exited the road into a field via a closed gate) and general engine servicing on the Coupe S. My next car is definetly gunna be a Dub just don't know what........
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Yank cars mate, thats the ticket but seriously, I think I'd say Japanese out of the two you list, except for ponton and fintail mercs, and the 450SEL 6.9 and and and...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Both have qualities most important in my car choice. I've always liked the styling of the MK1 Golf, Scirocco, passat, Manta A, similar era Opels and even further back. I've owned several Golfs and beetles and Iw as impressed by the build solidity, reliability and reassurance the cars gave me to drive.
However I'm backing the japs, asides from the usual ease of maintenance (I hardly ever have carry out mechanically repairs on any of my Japanese cars) and the fact they're so easy to drive, they look (IMO) so cool - very much like scaled down American cars. Japanese 70's cars had something of a bad image in the eighties and were treated as junk and were generally undesirable. Forums like this has done a huge amounts for them.....
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I love the look, reliability and styles of retro J tin...
But I also like build, engineering, cheap parts that VW's have (on these shores at least)...
I also stick to what I know, and I know German.
When I've got the money, I'd love a 240Z, or an early laurel or an early skyline!, but by the time I can afford one I fancy, I'll be able to afford a yank for the same money......
Both, either or..
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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J vs. GermanBenzBoy
@benzboy
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Hmm. I like both, but I've tended to go German. I've owned Japanese, French, Czech, Korean, British, and they've all had great qualities (and some not so great). German and Japanese are my faves though. I couldn't choose between them
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Seth
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While I can appreciate pretty much everything I see on this forum and like ll old cars as a rule I like to support the fabulous, second to none, British motor industry with my purchases. What did you say? Its dead? When?
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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bstardchild
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J vs. Germanbstardchild
@bstardchild
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Before I joined here I would say I was definately anti J cars full stop, and not that fond of Merc's and Beemers etc either but could appreciate all the other countries offerings even if I wouldn't go out and buy any.
I am basically an Opel Fruit!!! And like many on here you stick with what you know and love cos it makes life easier when they break down......
Now I'm not anti anything (except maybe new stuff) and can really appreciate the diversity of the cars avaliable and the quality of the cars on here.
I'm still an Opel Fruit tho but I'm not blinkered to the beauty beyond the "Blitz"
I run a daily driver VW (Modern Mint) so I guess that puts me still in the Germany camp but I'm gonna vote "neither dude" cos there is a place in this world for everything
Peace and love to all
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mercmad
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Flush Hard,it's a long way to McDonalds.
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Jun 15, 2006 10:37:34 GMT
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all right on the count...1-2-3-4 .DUETSCHLAND DUETSCHLAND UBER ALLES.. Hey ..with a song like that you got to admit the best retro stuff comes from Germany..afterall, have you heard the Japanese national anthem? heres a row of 6.3's taken last Monday in Irvine, California at the Classic center...Check out the 600 Grosse with the big mags
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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Jun 15, 2006 10:40:39 GMT
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I'm sure I'm not the only one here who does not express a preference. Sure I like my VWs but to ignore some of the ultra-cool stuff from Japan would be like not trying wine because this is a beer country. I've never owned a Japanese car, mainly because one has never caught me at the right moment. Do Japanese bikes count?
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"Jeremy Clarkson, a man we motor enthusiasts need on our side like Lewis Hamilton's F1 car needs a towing ball and a Sprite Musketeer" My motor
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mercmad
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Flush Hard,it's a long way to McDonalds.
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Jun 15, 2006 11:51:08 GMT
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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suffolkpaul
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Retro Free - just a pug 406 with 230k miles on it...
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Jun 15, 2006 12:20:25 GMT
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good to hear people views on his. particularly liek the comment amoutn japs takign other people ideas and doing them properly.
both 'camps' have produced iconic cars. If i had to have a cheap fun car, it would probably be J bu tif i had to commute 600 miles a week (as i do) then i would go german (as i have).
i would quite like a sunny gti (not r) as a cheap hatch. looking at the older japs stuff like the datsuns, particularly the 240/60z and the skylines they are very tasy cars they are jsut a blatent nod to the italians. I cant say that VW copy anyone in partcularly, all retro 70's 80's 90's dubs have been individual cars......
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Jun 15, 2006 12:23:38 GMT
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ford, although mines german built
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once again rocking with 1117cc and 4 gears!
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