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Jun 11, 2006 17:50:05 GMT
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At the autotest today I noticed the Monza seemed to be developing a bit too much negative camber on the passenger side front soo jacked it up and inspected and found a bit of play on the wheel bearing so I put it down to that. When I got it home decided to investigate a bit further and found this... Neggy camber Bad fitting bonnet (touch of foreboding as I know what to expect next) Strut top has started to break away from the inner wing Common ailment for Monzas mine and alot of them get scrapped because of it. It seemed pretty solid and it had been welded up before I got it, obviously the welding wasnt great and the abuse I have given it didnt help matters. Passenger side starting to go as well Need to get it in the garage, get it stripped down and repaired. Welding and reinforcing isnt the problem but getting it all lined up again is gonna be a curse word. Biscuits Need to hurry to get it down to a decent standard before CARS as I don't want to bodge it.
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Jun 11, 2006 17:53:20 GMT
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thats sucks. rust is the worst thing in the world. feeling for you, but i bet you'll have it sorted in no time
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bryn
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Jun 11, 2006 18:15:57 GMT
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Really sorry to see that, I skipped on a Monza a few years ago because of that problem... At least after you've done it you'll know it's right and ripe for plenty more abuse. Would a strut brace help things at all? Try and eradicate the flex? Or would it just wholesale transfer the stress direct to the weak spot... Hmm.
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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bstardchild
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Jun 11, 2006 18:21:08 GMT
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Monza weak point No'1
2 x 1 Box section down the length of the inner wing then triangulate the plate underneath it
Double brace the Turret tops to the inner wings (ABS cars had this as std)
And yes a strut brace would help a lot but it's tight to get one in with that CIH engine
I have no doubt you will quickly get it sorted
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Jun 11, 2006 18:22:48 GMT
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Really sorry to see that, I skipped on a Monza a few years ago because of that problem... At least after you've done it you'll know it's right and ripe for plenty more abuse. Would a strut brace help things at all? Try and eradicate the flex? Or would it just wholesale transfer the stress direct to the weak spot... Hmm. Strut brace would help but they are really weak from the bulkhead to the strut top anyway. Thats why Bstardchild tied his cage into it. I will reinforce it from underneath when I repair it
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Nick
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Jun 11, 2006 18:29:53 GMT
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ouchio, well at least its good to see it being repaired and not just scrapped. i hate it when people just scrap cars. nothing a bit of brain and elbow grease wont sort.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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bstardchild
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Jun 11, 2006 18:41:44 GMT
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Really sorry to see that, I skipped on a Monza a few years ago because of that problem... At least after you've done it you'll know it's right and ripe for plenty more abuse. Would a strut brace help things at all? Try and eradicate the flex? Or would it just wholesale transfer the stress direct to the weak spot... Hmm. Strut brace would help but they are really weak from the bulkhead to the strut top anyway. Thats why Bstardchild tied his cage into it. I will reinforce it from underneath when I repair it It seemed like a good idea for a little bit of extra effort - still need to cross brace mine as the shell still flexes a bit
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Jun 11, 2006 18:58:06 GMT
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curse word, now thats a pain in the
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bstardchild
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Jun 11, 2006 19:16:30 GMT
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Seen a lot of Monza's like that unfortunately but I'm posting this to explain the 2 x 1 box section thing See the triangular plate running from left to right - it's strength is all in the back end where it is welded into the bulkhead. The picture above shows it's cracked in very poor shape - cut it all off with the outer wings removed - run a 2 x 1 box section down the bulkhead vertically - run a 2 x 1 box section from this one horizontally to well past the place where the triangulated section current ends - Gusset the two with 3mm plate to triangulate the two thats what I did last time but if i did it again I would - Run a 2 x 1 Brace from low down the vertical section to just past the turret top and infill with 1mm steel sheet Think hangmans gallows and you shouldn't go too far wrong You will have to trust me on this but it - seriously stiffens up the front end - stops a heck of a lot of twist - an makes a massive difference to the slop in the steering all 90% of the common play at straight ahead is gone!!!! It also gives you a massively strong place to weld to when repairing the inner wings and bracing the turret tops
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Jun 11, 2006 20:31:58 GMT
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Just worked out its gonna be at least Wednesday before I can make a start on it. curse word. I am missing it already
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Seth
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Jun 11, 2006 21:51:22 GMT
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Looks bad but from what's been said it'll see the light of day once more and will be improved and stiffer as a result That's good news
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suffolkpaul
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Jun 11, 2006 22:02:33 GMT
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at least you found it before nasty happened with you in it.
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Jun 11, 2006 22:49:31 GMT
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curse word mate, think we have al been there so we feel for you. Sure you will have it sorted in no time.
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Monza Death KnollDarrenW
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Jun 11, 2006 22:55:25 GMT
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Wow, not good... Glad to see it'll be sorted though!
If it's a common fault, a picture-laden step-by-step thread showing it as it's done would be supercool ;D
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Wow, I salute you for having a crack at that, I must say that would probably be on the wrong side of the ‘what I feel happy about tackling’ line.
Amazing how even a car which appears sound to someone who is handy with a welder and grinder, can be so severely weakened. Quite alarming in fact.
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Gutting mate! But a good chance to repair and improve. No doubt it'll be out and about soon.
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Jun 12, 2006 19:10:56 GMT
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Wow, I salute you for having a crack at that, I must say that would probably be on the wrong side of the ‘what I feel happy about tackling’ line. Amazing how even a car which appears sound to someone who is handy with a welder and grinder, can be so severely weakened. Quite alarming in fact. Too be honest its been an area of concern since I bought the car, not because I thought this was weak or rusty but just because I know they were not really strong enough here in any case. This one was welded up around 2 years ago and to be fair to the bloke who has done it, his welding is to a pretty good standard. Even now after it has broke away the steel is still strong and after a good prod around with a screwdriver you cant feel any weakness in it let alone poke a hole through. Obviously I give it a bit more abuse than most people will, and this weekends autotest was hard work on the car but I am still shocked at how much it has gone. Roll on wednesday night
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bad luck mate, have you sussed how to align the suspension again yet? i was thinking possibly make a basic box frame from angle, to sit underneath car, between all 4 wheels, then use outriggers on frame to stay positioned on rear suspension and then measure and position mounts to hold bottom arms in place, and an ajustable strut brace kind of thing to align the top angles, it needs more thinking, but I'm a bit tired atm! will have a bit more think tomorow, looking forward t oseeing it back to normal tho
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bstardchild
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Pictures sent (Finally) Hope they are usefull along with the alignment method I used - I won't post it here cos it's bit rough and ready but it worked for me
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WOW..I'm impressed TBH..so many people would just give up on a car with a problem like this..I'm in awe of the skill and enthusiasm of you guys.
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