berendd
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why do I need 3 keys for one car?
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Aug 26, 2010 14:25:50 GMT
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Friend of mine has this 1989 civic, which is basically an old heap, but it runs ans she never has any problems with it, although it's better to say she never had any problems with it Last week she had some starting problems and went by a garage to have it checked, off course mr garagist couldn't find anything as there wasn't an ODB slot available She decided to take the civic back home and it refused to start, mr garagist gave her a courtesy/company/whatever car to get home and looked at it again. His conclusion was that the ignition was broken and had to be replaced, which he could do for just 600 euro's! She asked if it could be done cheaper, he could with scrapper parts it would still be 300 euro's. As that is a bit steep for a 21 year old civic she decided to call me to come to the rescue, I said I would look at it at mondaynight. Anyone got a clue where these can go wrong? it won't start one day, next day is fine though. I will check earthing probs and spark timing, plugs have been changed recently. have some civics for your effort of reading the above: Oops that is an older model, but too cool not to post mmmh wrong again, this ones too new, but I like the banded steelies yep, this must be the one, it's one of those aerodeck things, like the grey one third in row! Not entirely sure bout the aerodeck thing, at least I'm sure it's this generation! at last, have this n600 (pics sourced from my picasa account see sig, albums rr10, JCS and boucle de spa)
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Last Edit: Aug 26, 2010 14:26:38 GMT by berendd
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Aug 26, 2010 14:51:15 GMT
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Can you give me a little more info? Is the starting problem literally that you turn the key and nothing happens, or does it turn over and not start?
PS garage man sounds like a proper tool....
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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pirate
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Aug 26, 2010 15:46:02 GMT
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the 1st pic, the red one is actualy a mk2, i had one identicle loved it to death, poor thing died of rust, must get another! I'm looking for a civic for a mate at moment and there just doesnt seem to be any around
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persistant retro offender. 04 laguna load lugger alfa 159 lusso beast 82 austin allegro 82 mg metro
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jamesp
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Aug 26, 2010 19:20:24 GMT
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if its turn the key nothin happens this is common on hoda engines its a wire to the starter we put ours on a push button start the ignition is fine on the key but the button engages the starter
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mrj
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Aug 26, 2010 21:13:26 GMT
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do they have a crankshaft sensor ? Don't know how long they last on Hondas, but on Renaults they were made out of cardboard
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- 1971 VW 1600 TL Fastback - 1978 Passat GLS Variant - 1980 Audi 100 5E - 1981 VW aircooled panel van (sold) - 1983 VW Jetta Mk.I - 1984 VW Polo Coupé - 1984 VW Passat hatchback - 1987 VW Passat Variant - 1987 VW Passat hatchback - 1988 VW T25
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berendd
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why do I need 3 keys for one car?
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Haven't seen the car myself, but I'm going to look at it mondayevening so I wan't to be prepared.
It goes round but doesn't start, next day it starts like a new one.
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My mom had a civic that had a starting issue that went from occasional problem to permanant failure to start. Ended up at the Honda dealer where a faulty coil was diagnosed, the coil was housed in the distributor under the cap. So they get very hot and occasionally fail according to the Honda mechanic Can't remember the exact price but it was something like £300 for the coil Tried to find a non genuine one but no-one else makes one. If it does turn out to be the coil and you want a good secondhand one drop me a PM I have the almost new one that was on my moms car for about 6months before it failed its mot badly enough to be scrapped Still haven't heard the end of the moaning for that happening
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kv77
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Aug 27, 2010 10:11:35 GMT
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My mom had a civic that had a starting issue that went from occasional problem to permanant failure to start. Ended up at the Honda dealer where a faulty coil was diagnosed, the coil was housed in the distributor under the cap. So they get very hot and occasionally fail according to the Honda mechanic Can't remember the exact price but it was something like £300 for the coil Excactly the same story here, only replace "mom" with "neighbour". Was an early 90-ties civic, a used replacement unit was a hefty 300 euros
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<a href="http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=81096&page=1"> My 1975 Mazda 616</a>
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79cord
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Aug 27, 2010 10:42:24 GMT
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Might not apply to carburetor models & sounds like ignition/distributor direction has already been diagnosed... But my '89 CR-X & cousins '88 Prelude both had intermittently failing relays for their fuel pumps that took a while to be discovered....
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PhoenixCapri
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Aug 27, 2010 10:57:45 GMT
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Oddly I sometimes have a fail to start problem with the CRX, but it usually goes away for months at a time so I've never found out why it does it, and it's only once taken more than 3 goes to start up - I suspect under fueling, or an odd ignition fault.
If its got a carb then I'm not sure, but if its injection (like mine) they have all sorts of issues with the idle speed control system - search the Honda forums for a similar sounding problem.
Does it just fail to start, or is it stalling at idle as well?
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Tim
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Aug 27, 2010 13:05:36 GMT
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EG Civics have a known issue where the soldering in the main/fuel relay breaks down when it gets hot (expands), and the car then wont start. Mine had the same issue as yours Phoenix - resolder the joints in the relay and it will be fine, no need to replace the relay - however, I don't know if the older car has the same issue in a RHD EG its behind the trim to the right of your right foot :-) looks like this:
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Last Edit: Aug 27, 2010 13:11:42 GMT by Tim
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berendd
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Aug 27, 2010 19:13:30 GMT
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awesome help guys thanks a lot for directions to look at!
I will get back to you at tuesday, when I've had the chance to look at it..
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berendd
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UPDATE... tim, I think you're right, BUT I can't find the relay you mentioned... anyways, what I did checked the distributor on wear, seemed ok checked the leads, no probs there Then i tried to locate the petrol pipes, and disconnected them one at a time, with the pipe disconnected we tried to start. The first time nothing happened, second the same and the third time petrol poured out. I guess the fuel pump or fuel pump relay is to blame. to have the complete story: it's a 1991 civic 16v injection automatic pics:
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berendd
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Aug 31, 2010 20:43:19 GMT
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mmh seems the thread dissapears very fast...
time for a tech section?
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Tim
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Does sound very familiar - intermittant hot start problem?
Like i said before, i have no knowledge of the earlier car or any differences region to region, but my EG was a 92, so only a year older.
Right hand side of the right hand foot well, just in front of the door - peel that bit of carpet/trim back and it sits on a bracket behind there (zip tie it back on as you'll go mad trying to get the bracket back together!)
but, google suggests it may instead be on the left hand side in the older car, and LHD probably makes a difference as well :-)
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99% sure it's the fuel pump relay, should be behind the centre console behind the ash tray. I see a lot of the civic/crx guys give a bang on the ash tray and try again.
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berendd
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why do I need 3 keys for one car?
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The quest continues!
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berendd
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why do I need 3 keys for one car?
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Sept 2, 2010 21:23:46 GMT
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Found the offending item, it's indeed a mitsuba relais
It was behind the coin bin on the drivers side, had to crowl behind the dash to get it out... now out to find a new one.
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Sept 2, 2010 22:36:08 GMT
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You don't need to - take the cover off and resolder the small PCB that the relay and pins mount onto. You can probably see the bad joint by eye, but even if you can't put a soldering iron onto each join in turn, there won't be more than about 10 of them
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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berendd
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why do I need 3 keys for one car?
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the relay itself is broken, not the joints..unfortunately
so I need a new one...
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