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Nov 18, 2009 18:52:39 GMT
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Dispite the fact the Volvo is a good sideways bus and the initial "new ride" excitement, my heart isnt really in it the mojo just isnt there! I really want something big and fairly fast, I did look at Senators, Carltons, E34s and other various 80's barges but it all feels a bit wrong. Which leads me on to a Granada 24v. I saw one a few weeks ago and ever since I've been lusting after one. Mechanically the MK3 seem to be just a big Sierra, the suspension, transmission and various other major componants seem to be identical. Is this right? Anyone owned one, any good? Whats to watch for? The only down side seems to be the auto box, but surely a V6 type9 or MT75, a 2.9 flywheel, manual prop and pedal box is all I need? I'm thinking big drop on coilovers and some AMG alloys?
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Nov 18, 2009 19:21:39 GMT
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Sure you aren't just trying to fill that big Sierra shaped whole in your heart by something bigger and wallowier with a Ford badge?
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IDY
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Nov 18, 2009 19:24:10 GMT
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I really enjoyed the one I had would love to have another it one came up when I next need to replace the car It was the first automatic I owned and I was prepared to hate it but it was fun to drive, it was at its best on a sweeping A road. I did the maintenance my self, apart from the electrics it seemed no more difficult to work on than the Sierras I had before. I got mine cheap because it was losing 5L of oil a week fixed by replacing the cam chain tensioner gasket, a really cheap part you just need to remove lots of bits to get to it - the oil leak killed the alternator which was a bit of a headache as the wrong alternator was listed in the motor factors books (I tried several, they all got it wrong) The blades on the cam guides are a known weak area, they can wear away/disintegrate without showing any symptoms.
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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Nov 18, 2009 19:29:10 GMT
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type 9 wont last long in a granny, MT75 is what you want, but the 2wd V6 ones are are rarish over here (you cant swop the bellhousing) more commom in europe, out german friends on here may be able to source one for less than the cost of a hybrid box. The autos are weak, right on the limit of what they can handle, i've had an MT75 converted granny, its what I stripped to use in my 24v Cortina, blinding car, lovely with the manual in it and very economical driven gently, when I snapped the clutch cable in titangel car park on a sunday afternoon I drove it 300 miles back to essex pretty much all the way in 5th gear, the engines are very flexible. The Granny Cossie had the big 7.5 diff and LSD same as a 2wd Cossie Sierra, the later BOB powered Scorpios have better front suspesnion but no slipper, TC instead, better cars overall, but far less fun to drive, and harder work to strip out for transplant. I would heartly reccomend a granny cossie, but they are cheap enough to hold out for a goof one with everything working and no rot, be aware though you HAVE to know the timing chain tensioners have been done on any car over about 80,000 or you'll need to check them yourself if your planning on keeping it. check my Cortina thread for pics of what happens to them, other than the timing chain and auto box issues though granny cossies are almost bullet proof, they do go frilly round the edges, rear arches especially, but then they are opretty old these days. retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=36179
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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MWF
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Nov 18, 2009 19:51:19 GMT
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Would be nice to see Granada/Scorpio saved, you don't see many about these days yet people do have fond memories of them.
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Davenger
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Nov 18, 2009 23:42:54 GMT
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Very cool cars Might know of one for sale, unfinnished project
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Nov 18, 2009 23:54:24 GMT
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As you would expect, comfy but not the best mpg, gotta be the booted one for me super dooper cool and prices are good too, last time I looked. Do it
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As you would expect, comfy but not the best mpg, gotta be the booted one for me super dooper cool and prices are good too, last time I looked. Do it compare them to similar sized/powered competitors and they are pretty good as it happens.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Go for it Robin. Very underrated cars. I wouldn´t worry about the automatic too much, use it until it breaks (and it will sooner or later) then drop a MT75 in like Popup said. The Type 9 will be ok if you don´t kick the arsch out of it and can be picked up for peanuts but are as fragile as the autobox. Be aware that the later models are a nightmare if you´re not into electrics, the BOA´s are not that easy to transfer but are doable the BOB´s out of the Bugeye models have a lot more electronics on board and you need to know what you´re doing. (or have a mate that does as in my case ;D) A manual conversion will involve some trickery as the engine needs a signal from the gearbox before it´ll run in manual mode. I´d personally go for the older style Granny with the BOA engine (although i´ve just bought a bugeye as donor car for the trackcar ) make sure the sills are not made of cardboard and filler though
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Last Edit: Nov 19, 2009 6:20:45 GMT by Oldbus
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i had one, was comfy, fast and looked a little pimp I was very tempted to 4x4 it with sierra stuff, its been done before and is not too big a job i would go for that as for the type 9 being weak its a bit of a myth TBH, ys the mt75 is stronger, but the type 9 will handle the standard torque just fine, as long as you don't launch it hard on an hourly basis.
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I had one, was comfy, fast and looked a little pimp I was very tempted to 4x4 it with sierra stuff, its been done before and is not too big a job I would go for that as for the type 9 being weak its a bit of a myth TBH, ys the mt75 is stronger, but the type 9 will handle the standard torque just fine, as long as you don't launch it hard on an hourly basis. no one who goes to the trouble of fitting a manual in place of an auto is going to be gentle enough to keep a type 9 alive in a big heavy car like a scorpio for long, they casing is weak on the type 9's and allows the box to twist under torque which allows the bearings to move about and things break, they can also suffer from oil starvation. V6 type 9's are no longer cheap enough to just fit a new one every couple of thousand miles when you break it, you might as well do the job properly and fit a box designed to handle the torque, the MT75 is lighter and stronger and the V6 version has almost identical ratios anyway.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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IDY
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I was very tempted to 4x4 it with sierra stuff, its been done before and is not too big a job I would go for that Ford actually made a 4x4 MK3 Granada
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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I was very tempted to 4x4 it with sierra stuff, its been done before and is not too big a job I would go for that Ford actually made a 4x4 MK3 Granada they certainly did, i had one, with an Efi 2.8 rather than Mfi.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Nov 19, 2009 12:12:42 GMT
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There was a discussion thread on the manual 4x4 mk3 granny on ovalchat the other week, matey who had one said he'd flog it for £150 complete, he was in the south west - bargain if anybody was after the bits for a 4x4 24v conversion? Not sure if it was a 2.8 or a 2.9 though...
With the manual conversion, am I right in thinking the MT75's have a hydraulic clutch? In which case you'd need a pedal box from a manual DOHC model, rather than an earlier Type 9 model?
On the handling front, I think the 24v bugeye cars have got thicker anti-roll bars than all the other scorpios (?28mm?), these may well just bolt up to the mk3? You can get uprated spring kits for about £200, the standard ones are fairly floppy.
I have been told a bog standard 24v bugeye is over 1 second faster to 60 if swapped onto the (4.27:1) 2 litre diff, so if you primarily want to shame up barry boys in the traffic light drags / track days, it would be worth seeing if you can rebuild the 3.64:1 LSD with a bigger CROWN wheel.
Anybody happen to know the gear ratios in the V6 MT75? I have the 4 pot ones but was not aware they are different?
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Nov 19, 2009 13:26:52 GMT
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V6 ratios are almost identical to the V6 type 9 box.
MT75 is cable clutch, use the flywheel and pressure plate from a 2.9 XR4x4 and the friction plate from a YB cossie, cable will hook up to a stock granny/sierra clutch pedal.
You can use a 2.8 flywheel, its lighter, but also thinner so you need to mod the clutch release arm to get enough lift.
All 4x4 grannies were 2.8 (at least in the UK) and will have the type 9 box, having said that its no that hard to swop the box and clutch etc from a 2.9 4x4 sierra, i'm not sure about the rear prop though as it will be different to the 2.8 one and shorter than a 2wd manual granny prop but longer than a sierra one.
If you go RWD MT75 though its advisable to swop to the 4x4 gear lever cradle as its stronger and gives a better feeling change.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Nov 19, 2009 16:06:16 GMT
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I generally prefer fords, but nah, get a carlton GSI!
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'98 e36 316i lux '97 mx5 harvard '87 Saab 900 T16s
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Nov 19, 2009 16:56:50 GMT
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for the manual conversion and the like, do a google search for maddoldbugger
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Nov 19, 2009 19:22:33 GMT
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V6 ratios are almost identical to the V6 type 9 box. Which V6 type 9 box though? The 2.3 & 2.8 V6 5 speeds have different gear ratios & the 4 speed is different again? I like to try to keep all the 2nd gear ratios memorised if I can for racing purposes as we are often buggering about dropping V6's in other makes of car. Sorry, I'll get it right this time(!) - 1994 on Scorpios are hydraulic, Sierras & earlier scorpios/grannys are cable. Disgraceful to get that wrong when I owned a MT75 Sierra for 7 years and changed the clutch twice!!!
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Nov 19, 2009 19:38:04 GMT
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I'm talking about the 2.8 type 9 box, as far as I rmember the 2.3 boxes were more similar internally to the 4 pot boxes than the 6 pot ones (all stock type 9's are 5 speed, they were derived from the 4 speed type E box) capri, XR4i, mk2 granada and 2 and 4 wheel drive 2.9 Sierras all have almost the same ratios, so close that you wouldnt notice in a road car anyway.
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Nov 19, 2009 20:35:58 GMT
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Which V6 type 9 box though? The 2.3 & 2.8 V6 5 speeds have different gear ratios & the 4 speed is different again? I like to try to keep all the 2nd gear ratios memorised if I can for racing purposes as we are often buggering about dropping V6's in other makes of car. 2.3 - 2.8 1st - 3.65 - 3.61 2nd - 1.97 - 1.81 3rd - 1.37 - 1.26 4th - 1.00 - 1.00 5th - 0.82 - 0.83
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Last Edit: Nov 19, 2009 20:37:50 GMT by IDY
I will get round to finishing it at some point
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