Seth
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MorrisOxford TriumphMirald HillmanMinx BorgwardIsabellaCombi
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Jul 13, 2009 14:05:05 GMT
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I've been umming and arring for ages about a potential engine swap for the Herald so I don't have to keep replacing Triumph engines. Under consideration have been Japanese Nissan/Toyota engines and then there's also the Zetec though I'm not such a Ford fan. I'm not after big power (100bhp would do, max of around 120 I reckon) so would be looking at basic spec 1.6 or 1.8. The problem with all of these is the FWDness of them. Now I know there are RWD box options but these sound either difficult/expensive to get hold of or are just plain expensive for what would aim to be a budget swap. So I've been wondering about BMW engines. A complete E30 or E36 povo spec 316 or 318 would surely be cheap as chips and solves the "big" problem straight off. But you don't seem to see even higher performance BMW lumps used in other shells very often. Anyone know why? Any info gratefully received    |
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The Doctor
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Using a BMW engine...The Doctor
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Jul 13, 2009 14:09:09 GMT
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knowing absolutely NOTHING about Heralds, I do know that almost all BMW engines are slanted (is that the correct word?) they lean to one side. I don't know if you got the space for that, uprighting is a pain I think (it's a lot of work at angled Toyota engines 9ask Racer86  , and BMW engines lean even more I believe). But if you can fit one, a 318i engine on bikecarbs does sound amazing and has some go too! |
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Last Edit: Jul 13, 2009 14:09:32 GMT by The Doctor
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MrSpeedy
East Midlands
www.vintagediesels.co.uk
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Jul 13, 2009 14:19:39 GMT
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If i can get a 45deg slant dolly sprint motor in mine then i'm sure a bimmer lump will fit ! (It is tight tho !)
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DutyFreeSaviour
Europe
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Jul 13, 2009 14:56:51 GMT
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Seeth - grab a 1850 out of a dolly - bore it out and I've got all the gubbins for the top end - two heads, carbs etc... and can bring 'em over for you if you want 'em. Got pistons, con-rods etc... all sitting there too if I remember correctly. Keep it in the family  |
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Jul 13, 2009 15:22:58 GMT
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Have you thought about a slightly earlier M10 from a 2002 or a rusty E21? Cheap and plentiful, easy to tune and 140bhp or so is easily achievable with a set of twin 40's. I used to run mine with a downdraft webber which made for a nice responsive little engine that didn't drink too much... They are so easy to work on that even I managed a cylinder head rebuild without totally ruining anything! Pretty bombproof to boot. And as for seeing them in other shells.... Chevron B8 anyone? www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/228852/chevron_b8.html |
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Porsche 924 - gone
Citroen Saxo VTR - not very retro but I loved it - now gone...
MK4 Golf GTi 1.8T - gone but hardly remembered...
Mini Cooper S R53 - gone
BMW 125d Coupe - gone (mostly sideways)
Ford Focus RS Mk1 - hello low MPGs and "wanna race me" at every set of lights...
1973 BMW 2002 - Twin 40's, 284 Cam, Revolutions, E21 Recaros + more
Porsche Cayman 987 3.4S - here and due to cost me more money than I have
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Jul 13, 2009 15:50:10 GMT
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Having looked into 4 pot BMW motors as an upgrade for my 520 I think the lack of interest is directly related to the lack of development. Sure they grew an extra cam and proper fuel injection along the way, but a 8hp (claimed) improvement between the 70s 2002 (M10) and the 90s Z3 (M44) is the sort of thing that would put off those looking for outright performance. BMW engine info here autospeed.com/cms/title_Engine-Epic-Part-3-BMW/A_0215/article.htmland here www.bimmerforums.com/engine_faq/ |
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Jul 13, 2009 16:01:43 GMT
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Sierra 2 litre twin cam, cheap, 130bhp, 30+ mpg and comes with a rwd box on the back, choose carb or injection, parts cheap and easy to get anywhere.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Jul 13, 2009 17:37:53 GMT
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I like my M42 - 1.8 16v, probably about 140bhp atm (thanks to different injectors and free flowing exhaust), revvy, goes very well (only just slower than a 3 year old civic type r!), fairly easy to work on too. Erm, fairly good mpg, with the different injectors I'm getting 30mpg average daily + some thrashing. But yeah, a pretty big slant = PITA. Rover K-series? On here go to essays, then the 'King K' essay - VERY informative: www.aronline.co.uk/index.htm?saipakf.htm |
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Jul 13, 2009 19:48:24 GMT
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people seem scared of them TBH. wiring is a bit of a black art to most people and its not like 5000 people on OSF can ask each other how they did it. unlike a sierra twink, most bmw owners don't need to carry two bottles of K-seal for when the head splits open  parts are easily available from any GSF or euro car parts or every junkyard from here to eternity. chose e30 for front bowl sump or e36 for rear bowl. no speedo cable on anything after an e21 though.  |
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Potter
Part of things
'E who dares wins,eh Rodders??!
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Jul 13, 2009 20:43:52 GMT
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Apparently if it's a slanted motor you need a stiffer spring on the side the sump is,due to unevenn weight balance.
Just read a post on OSF from some bloke asking after fitting one in a Capri
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More cars than sense or money!🙄
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Seth
South East
MorrisOxford TriumphMirald HillmanMinx BorgwardIsabellaCombi
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Jul 13, 2009 20:46:49 GMT
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Thanks for the info folks. As with if I were to end up with a Japanese engine I really would not be after lots of power. 100-120bhp would be absolutely fine in a daily driven car with a separate chassis designed for 30 something horses... So a standard 1.6 or 1.8 would be perfect. Popup. I know a Sierra lump would do that job but I just really don't want a Ford lump  Sammm, thanks for the links. Jontanner, Earlier engine would be a bit more "period" I suppose though I guess my intention would be to have something more modern. Good points though. GTV, My "keep it in the family" option is to source a small bearing 1300 lump and stick a turbo on the side. I don't think this will result in great reliabilty though ;D B&D, interesting to hear there's a rear sump option I don't suppose you've got an engine/box combo lying around somewher you can take a few photos of just so I can get a picture of what shape they are? Thanks again, all |
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rob0r
East of England
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Jul 13, 2009 21:19:53 GMT
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I have a 1.8 M10 engine sitting in a scrap E21 316 thats going no where fast, PM me if it's of any interest. Realoem.com is dynamite to know what sumps and full engines stripped down look like, just pick the car they came from! The older stuff like E21s are hidden in the archive section  |
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E30 320i 3.5 - E23 730 - E3 3.0si - E21 316 M42 - E32 750i
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CIH
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Jul 13, 2009 21:28:53 GMT
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A dead Silvia will give a 1.8T with RWD 'box and 130bhp. Not quite 30mpg tho.....
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Jul 13, 2009 21:42:42 GMT
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Mazda MX-5? When I think of modern rear-wheel drives (that are attainable, that is), it's basically a BMW or an MX-5. As far as I know they're pretty much the power you're looking for, and using educated guesswork and spurious logic I'd say it would probably fit fairly well . A similar size, and they both have double wishbone fronts (don't they?) so the engine must be narrow enough? |
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When I was hunting around the most compact 2L or less OHC RWD I could find was the Isuzu motors used in Geminis, Piazza's, rodeos etc. (G ro 4Z series) Aside from these other oddities worth looking into are 80s skylines and pintaras and 80's Mazda 929's for lowish power, smallish capacity.
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Remade In Australia
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How bout a swift gti engine ? the samurai box bolts straight to it giving you rwd, 1.3 and 100bhp out the box, those little engines are bloody bombproof !
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stealthstylz
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I'd go for a 1.6 MX5 engine I think. The swift GTi engines are great, but you have to rev the knackers off them to go anywhere.
Matt
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Jul 14, 2009 11:12:17 GMT
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I just bought an MX5 for the engine and gearbox to go into my herald.. I've kept the MX5 and I'm looking for ways to justify keeping both cars now!
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...proper medallion man chest wig motoring. |
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Jul 14, 2009 11:57:05 GMT
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How about SX 200 engine, 4 cylinder and the gearbox is very slim so no chassis clearance problems S13 1800 cc with or without turbo.
I am fitting one in my 1929 A coupe, neat unit.
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Using a BMW engine...Robinxr4i
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Jul 14, 2009 13:19:37 GMT
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A 1.8 M40 out of an E30 woudl be a good engine to uses, 115 hp and tough as old boots Popup. I know a Sierra lump would do that job but I just really don't want a Ford lump What wrong with a Sierra engine? ;D Pintos or twinkys are fine! |
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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, and BMW engines lean even more I believe).
