spiny
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Mar 24, 2009 23:12:34 GMT
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block quite a long way when I'm annoyed. makes a dent in concrete though. timescale: 8PM - enter garage - - 11PM - front engine cover now off old engine. Haynes still makes me laugh, even after all these years: 'knock flat retaining washer and simply undo bolt holding sprocket to cam' in some parallel universe perhaps also turns out I need one of those 1 micron thick pullers to remove the sprocket on the crank as 'levering with a screwdriver' would have resulted in me dying of old age before the pulley ever moved. sadly, in my enthusiasm, I've totalled the end of the crank trying to remove the woodruff key which according to the haynes should come out before the sprocket comes off, but fairly obviously comes off -after- the sprocket is removed - ho hum. anyway, I now know how it all goes together and can make a start on fitting the plate to the Marina engine tomorrow. My initial plan of making engine mounts is on hold as the Midget manifold is exactly in the way of the castings on the Marina block for the mount. I'm sure it will all be worth it in the long run
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Rich G
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Mar 24, 2009 23:25:10 GMT
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Ah, Haynes.... "with a suitable tool remove........" ;D Very nearly got a job with them as a copy-writer in a previous life..
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IDY
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Ah, Haynes.... "with a suitable tool remove........" ;D "refitting is the reversal of removal" - on a number of occasions I have found that to be inaccurate resulting in a Haynes manual being thrown as hard as possible at the garage wall ;D
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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purplevanman
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Way too orangey for crows
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hahahahahahaynes
I use em to get an idea then work it out for my self
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spiny
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I am abivalent towards car electrics ...
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hahahahahahaynes I use em to get an idea then work it out for my self I was trying to remove the sprocket on the end of the crank, it looked like the woodruff key that held the crank pulley on would stop the sprocket being removed, plus the haynes says to remove the key and keep it safe, so I tried to remove it - thinking it was somehow rusten on, I mullered it totally trying to prise it out - turns out it doesn't need to be removed at all, arses. anyway, I'm building myself up to do the same on the replacement engine - it -should- be as simle as changing the timing chain, as in effect they are the only bits i'm removing, and thats a service item - hope it goes well
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Haynes still makes me laugh, even after all these years: 'knock flat retaining washer and simply undo bolt holding sprocket to cam' Legendary. The Ford manuals weren't much better. The one on my Pop for taking the rear drums off read something like "using puller, Ford part number xxxx, withdraw the drums from the taper" What they miss out is two hours lambing a bar with a club hammer to split the jammed taper ;D
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Mar 25, 2009 10:59:03 GMT
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"Undo hub nut" always makes me laugh as they miss out all the swear words.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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30psi
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Mar 25, 2009 14:14:22 GMT
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Haynes - "Gently tap loose"
Me - "Smash with a club hammer until the part is destroyed"
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1962 Ford Thunderbird 6.4L
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS CA18DET
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS SR20DE
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Mar 25, 2009 15:35:23 GMT
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LOL
The first time I changed a headgasket on my old 940 (the first time I got serious at working on cars) I followed the haynes to the letter, It had me removing all kinds of curse word that can be left well alone, radiator, starter motor etc etc... when The job wa done I was trying to work out why I had to remove it all, still don't know. I mean all you need to do is pull the manis, slip the timing belt off, remove valve cover and unbolt head.
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1985 Bedford CF2 camper 1991 Volvo 240 Turbo
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Mar 25, 2009 18:58:55 GMT
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Open Haynes
Wipe Ar$e
Replace.
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350
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Mar 25, 2009 19:19:35 GMT
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i have a lot of respect for the haynes manuals to be honest, no way i would have got most of the cars i had during my youth to continue working without the books, they are a bit optimistic a lot of the time but they get a lot of us attempting things i'm pretty sure we wouldnt without some sort of instructions, maybe its not so bad these days, but in the days before the WWW (eee ba goom when i were a lad) the haynes was pretty much it for easily available info if you wanted to avoid paying though the nose. They ARE still funny though.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Zapp Brannigan
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She's built like a steakhouse but she handles like a bistro!
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Mar 25, 2009 19:42:37 GMT
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I love the way that the first instruction in a Haynes manual, no matter what the job is, is: "Disconnect the battery"!
Couple of my favorites are also:
"....with a suitable drift" - screwdriver and hammer
"....carefully pry" - jam a screwdriver in and hit with hammer
"....gently tap with a rubber mallet"- Find yourself a local psychopath and equip him with a sledge hammer and have him beat the sh*t out of it 'till it's either destroyed or comes loose.
Seems to be a recurring hammer theme here.
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Mar 25, 2009 19:46:49 GMT
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i used to laugh at the remove battery instruction untill a spanner welded itself to the inner wing as i was removing the main live from the starter motor. :S
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Zapp Brannigan
Part of things
She's built like a steakhouse but she handles like a bistro!
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Mar 25, 2009 20:02:41 GMT
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I used to laugh at the remove battery instruction untill a spanner welded itself to the inner wing as I was removing the main live from the starter motor. :S Yeah, sometimes it makes sense!!
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Mar 25, 2009 20:15:05 GMT
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For those of us that have ever used a Haynes Manual...
Haynes: Rotate anticlockwise.
Translation: Clamp with molegrips then beat repeatedly with hammer anticlockwise.
Haynes: This is a snug fit.
Translation: You will skin your knuckles!
Haynes: This is a tight fit.
Translation: Not a hope in hell matey!
Haynes: As described in Chapter 7...
Translation: That'll teach you not to read through before you start, now you are looking at scary photos of the inside of a gearbox.
Haynes: Pry...
Translation: Hammer a screwdriver into...
Haynes: Undo...
Translation: Go buy a tin of WD40 (catering size).
Haynes: Retain tiny spring...
Translation: "Jesus what was that, it nearly had my eye out"!
Haynes: Press and rotate to remove bulb...
Translation: OK - that's the glass bit off, now fetch some good pliers to dig out the bayonet part.
Haynes: Lightly...
Translation: Start off lightly and build up till the veins on your forehead are throbbing then re-check the manual because what you are doing now cannot be considered "lightly".
Haynes: Weekly checks...
Translation: If it isn't broken don't fix it!
Haynes: Routine maintenance...
Translation: If it isn't broken...it's about to be!
Haynes: One spanner rating.
Translation: Your Mum could do this...so how did you manage to botch it up?
Haynes: Two spanner rating.
Translation: Now you may think that you can do this because two is a low, tiny, ikkle number... but you also thought that the wiring diagram was a map of the Tokyo underground (in fact that would have been more use to you).
Haynes: Four spanner rating.
Translation: You are seriously considering this aren't you, you pleb!
Haynes: Five spanner rating.
Translation: OK - but don't expect us to ride it afterwards!!!
Haynes: If not, you can fabricate your own special tool like this...
Translation: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Haynes: Compress...
Translation: Squeeze with all your might, jump up and down on, swear at, throw at the garage wall, then search for it in the dark corner of the garage whilst muttering "b*gger" repeatedly under your breath.
Haynes: Inspect...
Translation: Squint at really hard and pretend you know what you are looking at, then declare in a loud knowing voice to your wife "Yep, as I thought, it's going to need a new one"!
Haynes: Carefully...
Translation: You are about to cut yourself!
Haynes: Retaining nut...
Translation: Yes, that's it, that big spherical blob of rust.
Haynes: Get an assistant...
Translation: Prepare to humiliate yourself in front of someone you know.
Haynes: Turning the engine will be easier with the spark plugs removed.
Translation: However, starting the engine afterwards will be much harder. Once that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach has subsided, you can start to feel deeply ashamed as you gingerly refit the spark plugs.
Haynes: Refitting is the reverse sequence to removal.
Translation: But you swear in different places.
Haynes: Prise away plastic locating pegs...
Translation: Snap off...
Haynes: Using a suitable drift...
Translation: The biggest nail in your tool box isn't a suitable drift!
Haynes: Everyday toolkit
Translation: Ensure you have an RAC Card & Mobile Phone
Haynes: Apply moderate heat...
Translation: Placing your mouth near it and huffing isn't moderate heat.
Haynes: Index
Translation: List of all the things in the book bar the thing you want to do!
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Mar 25, 2009 20:19:33 GMT
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HAYNES GUIDE TO TOOLS OF THE TRADE HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer is nowadays used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.
ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning steel Pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age, but it also works great for drilling mounting holes just above the brake line that goes to the rear wheel.
PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads.
HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes.
MOLE-GRIPS/ADJUSTABLE spanner: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand.
OXYACETELENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your garage on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside a brake-drum you're trying to get the bearing race out of.
WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1/2 socket you've been searching for for the last 15 minutes.
DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted part you were drying.
WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls in about the time it takes you to say, "F...."
HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering car to the ground after you have installed your new front disk brake setup, trapping the jack handle firmly under the front wing.
EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering a car upward off a hydraulic jack.
TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters.
PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbour to see if he has another hydraulic floor jack.
SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for spreading mayonnaise; used mainly for getting dog-doo off your boot.
BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is ten times harder than any known drill bit.
TIMING LIGHT: A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating grease buildup.
TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST: A handy tool for testing the tensile strength of ground straps and brake lines you may have forgotten to disconnect.
CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large motor mount prying tool that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end without the handle.
AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw.
INSPECTION LIGHT: The mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin," which is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits aside, its main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate as 105-mm howitzer shells during the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its name is somewhat misleading.
PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper- and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; can also be used, as the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads.
AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a fossil-fuel burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a pneumatic impact spanner that grips rusty bolts last tightened 30 years ago by someone in Dagenham, and rounds them off.
PRY (CROW) BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 pence part.
HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut hoses 1/2 inch too short.
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Mar 25, 2009 20:21:19 GMT
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I've always gotten good use out of the Haynes Manual for the cars I've owned, I must admit that I'm a bit lost with the fact that there isn't one for my Kangoo! I'll be sat here and wonder, say, how feasible it is to replace something in an evening, or how to lower the back or whatever... No info via Google than I can find, slow forums with no real technical help... And I'm not good at figuring out stuff like that for myself ;D
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Last Edit: Mar 25, 2009 21:30:23 GMT by DarrenW
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spiny
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I am abivalent towards car electrics ...
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Mar 25, 2009 21:09:14 GMT
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this is always my favourite :
Haynes: Carefully...
Translation: You are about to cut yourself!
the haynes me be thin on facts sometimes but like others have said, I wouldn't have considered some of the jobs i've done over the years without one.
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Mar 25, 2009 21:47:56 GMT
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lets see your haynes then! ive got 11, most for cars i have/had
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Glenn
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Mar 25, 2009 21:59:59 GMT
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I must have somewhere between 20 and 30 of 'em, I buy them when I see them in charity shops. Mk1 Escort ones, Renault 4, etc etc... It's kind of therapeutic, when I go through a phase of wanting, say, an HC Viva I'll flick through the Haynes and see how little I'd feel confident in doing on it and that usually keeps my wallet safe ;D
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