rodit
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Hi there guy's and gal's on this rainy windy day of rest.
Well both myself and another guy from our Rod club are trying to find out why no one seeems to use the ecotech vx engines?
We had debated using omega ones still running ecu and outo rwd box but just de cat etc.
As you can imagine the NSRA forum was no help at all (kit car builders) ;D, so if anyone has any info good or bad, pro's and con's please fire away.
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carmad
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they are acctually a good engine apart from all the sensors
based on the xe
uses the same block so any rwd conversion gear box will do
130 ish bhp
chipped keys can be a bit of fun but if you buy the whole donor car your sorted
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I did have a tuning guide for the x20xev engine at one time, must have lost it when my hard drive died, gotta be out there somewhere though! I'd try a few of the vx forums. P.S I think the ecotec has more torque than the xe too, although I can't remeber where I heard that  |
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rodit
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If we were to drop over to carbs/ throttle boddies would that remove a lot of sensors and key problems?
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Ecotec crank is a lot weaker than an XE crank, according to some Opel guru`s here  Less bolts to fit the flywheel too, if my memory isnt totally bugged (wich it often is  ) And to what i`ve seen and read, they are filled to the brim with silly sensors and electronics, I wouldnt use a regular wiring system\engine management, i`d go straight to some sort of standalone system (or Webers ;D) |
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Last Edit: Nov 9, 2008 16:45:53 GMT by Deleted
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People are too caught up in the XE...
Yes, it makes a bit less than an XE but they're cheap and, from an Omega, come with all you need...In theory...
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It might be worth talking to Simon Peckham at Suffolk County Mantas (user id mantaA16v), as I know he's had some experience of them. There was a Manta A running a 2.0 Ecotec on throttle bodies if I remember making some good power.
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rodit
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Once again your font of knowledge is impecable.
Reconing omega's will be pennies to pic up soon and most xe's are now either snapped up, over priced or been to the moon.
Keep the info coming and much thank's to all.
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rodit
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Well your knowledge yet again astounds me, much thanks to you all so far.
Keep the info coming as i recon this may be the next engine to use as omega prices should be crashing down rather soon me thinks.
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People are too caught up in the XE... Yes, it makes a bit less than an XE but they're cheap and, from an Omega, come with all you need...In theory... *n Indeed. And if you are running carbs or similar on it I see no reason why you'd need to worry about chipped keys and so on. |
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Nov 13, 2008 20:37:56 GMT
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I did indeed fit an A Series with an stock ecotec and throttle bodies, made 195 BHP at the flywheel, pulled really well and was a joy to drive. All the normal RWD XE parts can be used.
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Nov 13, 2008 21:03:55 GMT
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Same engine is used in Chevy and Pontiac cars in the US, and GM Performance Division built one to like 850 BHP - more to prove a point than as a serious excercise for any real purpose...
However, the US may yeild useful bits as GM Performance Parts did make some odd statement that they'd like to see the ecotec 4 pot as ubiquitous a performance engine as the small block Chevy is.
IIRC it makes 260 BHP in the Pontiac Solstice / Saturn Sky / Opel GT with a turbo on it, and thats in emission friendly standard tune.
A home brew version has to be feasible.
Most of the moaning I have heard about comes from duff sensors on mid 90s Omegas and the like. A mate had one in a '94 Cavalier and that was fine and dandy just like Amos and Andy. Only fault was a stick ICV which I cleaned out for him in like 30 seconds with some Wynns.
So Cal Speedshop used one for their neo belly tank racer which set some class record at Bonneville. I think GMPP may have been involved in that effort also. Or maybe they buildt a streamliner for Bonneville with an Ecotech in it. I forget now.
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Nov 13, 2008 22:14:33 GMT
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This is all very interseting reading folk's and muchly appreciated.
Any more is greatly welcomed. ;D
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Nrj
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Nov 15, 2008 14:18:05 GMT
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An excellent unvalued engine IMHO, i've had loads, and still have, not had one problem in 10 years of owning them except ICV which i cleaned out and idled fine ever since.
If it was that rubbish an engine GM wouldnt have keep it in production as long as they have.
For years 'tuning' part were expensive but now can get same prices/as easy as other vxl engines.
Go to the 'ring in may and i'll show you how much pain an eco can handle.
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VX ECO tech enginesBenzBoy
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Nov 15, 2008 15:15:35 GMT
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Didn't the Daewoo Espero and Nubira come with Ecotecs? Damn cheap source of low-mileage engines - the scrappies seem to be choc-a-block with old Daewoos! Depends if you can stand having Daewoo instead of Vauxhall on the cam cover... ;D
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Nov 15, 2008 15:50:18 GMT
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Didn't the Daewoo Espero and Nubira come with Ecotecs? Damn cheap source of low-mileage engines - the scrappies seem to be choc-a-block with old Daewoos! Depends if you can stand having Daewoo instead of Vauxhall on the cam cover... ;D yeah, except its not.... not sure exactly what it is, mind, but vauxhaull parts don't fit . tis another reason that scrapyards are full of them  |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Nov 15, 2008 16:28:09 GMT
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they are not the same
alot of parts are interchangable tho
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VX ECO tech enginesBenzBoy
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Nov 15, 2008 16:52:38 GMT
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Didn't the Daewoo Espero and Nubira come with Ecotecs? Damn cheap source of low-mileage engines - the scrappies seem to be choc-a-block with old Daewoos! Depends if you can stand having Daewoo instead of Vauxhall on the cam cover... ;D yeah, except its not.... not sure exactly what it is, mind, but vauxhaull parts don't fit . tis another reason that scrapyards are full of them Aaah I see. That's a shame! |
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Nov 15, 2008 17:01:32 GMT
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Every Component On This Engines Crap
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Nov 16, 2008 10:24:06 GMT
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Every Component On This Engines Crap Thats what i always hear, but never been given a reason Other than the crank thing. They are 1/4 the price of a XE here |
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Less bolts to fit the flywheel too, if my memory isnt totally bugged (wich it often is 
) And to what i`ve seen and read, they are filled to the brim with silly sensors and electronics, I wouldnt use a regular wiring system\engine management, i`d go straight to some sort of standalone system (or Webers ;D)
