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Oct 27, 2008 12:36:24 GMT
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But I agree with the rest of what you say....
Anybody who doubts Mustang handling when prepared for combat, needs to review the latest Koni Challenge results. Once again Ford has defeated Porsche and BMW for the season championship. Once again.
And that harks right back to the beginning with Shelby and his SCCA B-Sedan Class winning GT-350 1965 and 1966 Mustangs. Those "great handling" Porsches and BMWs were no where to be found. And still finish as "first losers" to the Mustang.
Fact. (To use the popular RR technique... LOL)
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Oct 27, 2008 12:42:33 GMT
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The Falcon and Mustang 1 (and poss some other Fords) use a strange coil on damper +wishbones arrangement. Its not the same as a McPherason strut as in Capri, Fox Mustang etc but it was referred to by Ford as a "strut allignment" or somesuch, hense I called it strut "style" arrangement. Thats why early Mustangs have those towers into the inner wings. AMC used something similar, but a bit nicer implementation. Ironically the proper double wishbone on the Mustang II was probably the best of the bunch... 100,000,000 street rod conversions can't be wrong... Theres even people selling proper double wishbone setups for the '64-'70 Mustangs now... Most based in some way on the Mustang II setup...
They don't work so good out of the box, and those towers are prone to flex as well, especially after 40 years of driving the alignment is often well shot out.
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Oct 27, 2008 12:49:27 GMT
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a quick Google later... here's a pic which illustrates an air bag replacing the stock spring but otherwise shows the "upper strut" and downlinks to the wishbone and a proper McPherson Strut kit (although IMO you're going further away from ideal with that...
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Last Edit: Oct 27, 2008 12:50:03 GMT by akku
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Oct 27, 2008 12:59:05 GMT
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It's not a strut suspension. Your top photo shows the airbag in a conventional shock location above a wishbone. A Macstrut suspension eliminates the upper wishbone. Your second picture shows a converted Mustang, with its upper wishbone removed. You can still see the holes for the replaced arm. There are tons of kits to "update" old Mustangs to struts, including whole K-member replacements. The "strut" I think you are referring to in the old Mustang suspension is the fore-aft locating strut bar used in conjunction with the lower arm (together making the lower "A" arm wishbone). It's a solid locating link, not a dampener. See below "strut" labelled in center of schematic of OE 1967 Mustang shop manual: And here it is put together. Note the tool used to hold the upper arm locked during shopwork:
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Last Edit: Oct 27, 2008 13:30:47 GMT by Team Blitz
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Oct 27, 2008 14:04:11 GMT
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I think the confusion arises 'cos over here most of our wishboned cars have the damper inside or next to the spring rather than on top of it.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Oct 27, 2008 14:11:45 GMT
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I didn't disagree that it has a pair of wishbones, nor that its a conventional coil, just that they are not laid out in the conventional fashion of double wishbone suspensions, and that they didn't work that brilliantly from new, and that 40 years of use will not have improved on the matter. The strut conversion car is illustraiting one of the options to "fix" the original design using something more modern. Hense "here's a MacPhearson kit". A kit to convert to McPhearson struts. personally if going to that bother I would go with a proper dual wishbone kit, there's plenty to chose from. Principally because of my original point - the stock geometry is not ideal for performance use and 40 years of progress has improved on it. Although that said, there are solutions of varying effacacy which utilise the stock coil and damper locations.
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Oct 27, 2008 15:13:49 GMT
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They look like truck back lights of some sort? I thought SD1 at first but I'm not so sure. Pre-facelift Mercedes-Benz Atego.
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Oct 27, 2008 15:21:34 GMT
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I wonder why the kit makers wouldn't simply go buy new Mustang taillamps? It's not like they're rare or expensive....
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Oct 27, 2008 15:59:54 GMT
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Seems crazy to spend £8k on a placca mustang copy, as AK says they're some way from being in the AC Cobra league cost-wise.
One of these based an a B-reg 2.3 Indenor diesel sierra might be quite good though.
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Oct 27, 2008 16:04:15 GMT
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I wonder why the kit makers wouldn't simply go buy new Mustang taillamps? It's not like they're rare or expensive.... probably because they are trying to make it look all Shelby and don't realise they are Cougar (or Thunderbird?) tailights on them. or they have to be "E" marked legal lenses with orange turn signals or other curse word reason
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Oct 27, 2008 16:13:39 GMT
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OK, the fast back is more expensive and desirable, but at least these are all real Mustangs... £8995. £6995 UK reg'd £7495, 4 speed manual V8 £6450 landed, not registered £6250 - 6 cyl or have a look on eBay, usually a couple there and usually a few in the back of Classic American etc.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Oct 27, 2008 20:33:53 GMT
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I'm not a huge eleanor fan or a huge kit car fan but it's probably the best kit car I've seen other than the Cobra Replica's. I found some more pictures, which show's a small block v8 of some kind in it and the interior looks pretty, well.. kit car-ish. As has already been said by the time you add a decent spec engine into it you could have a pretty decent real mustang. Think how often you'd get pull by the plod "This is showing up on our computers as a 1984, Ford Sierra 2.3 diesel . Could you explain sir?, Er"
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luckygti
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Oct 27, 2008 20:43:22 GMT
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This was in Complete Kit Car a few months ago I think. Thought I had a copy, but must be at home. I thought it looked pretty good, and I'm pretty sure you couldn't get any Mustangs fitted with an Eleanor? kit for that kind of money. Contrary to popular belief (and without hijacking the thread) there are some very cool kit cars around and not just the replicas! I'd have one in no time Oh, and the Ultima has been around the TG Track in about 3 seconds less than the fastest car on their board!
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Oct 27, 2008 20:56:01 GMT
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I forgot about the Ultima and 7 kit's. After having a quick look at Kit Cars on ebay I agree there is some cool stuff out there. It's stuff like this that gives me the heebie jeebies. Everyone to their own though.
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Oct 27, 2008 21:12:47 GMT
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'Eleanor' reps are gash enough when they're based on Mustangs...Nevermind Sierras.
And I less-than-three Notchback Stangs.
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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ThePollitt
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Oct 27, 2008 21:16:51 GMT
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In a nutshell.... FAIL!!!! Win! Yes, you could buy a real Stang for the money, but in the context of Sierras, well, lets face it fella's, we can nit-pick all day, but if you're going to modify one....
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Last Edit: Oct 27, 2008 21:18:34 GMT by ThePollitt
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Oct 27, 2008 21:39:51 GMT
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id rather never have a retro again than own that
ps i don't like eleanor reps either
james bond boss rep FTW
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Oct 27, 2008 21:42:04 GMT
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A 4X4 one with a 400 BHP cossie lump would go well round the track
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R.I.P photobucket
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Oct 27, 2008 23:11:15 GMT
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couple of things... First...Is it just me, or is that a mk3 cortina dash top? Secondly, I'm assuming that the whole sierra floorpan gubbins is so the car still is the sierra and wont need an SVA. Brings to mind the question "what comprises a radically altered monocoque" that we were mulling over a week or so back. Thats a hell of a lot more radical than taking 2" out of your minor's roof, for example... I'd be curious to know if that kit will fit through the gaps in the legislation. If it does, so does pretty much everything else ;D
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Oct 27, 2008 23:56:12 GMT
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Your right SOC, its a mk3 tina dashpad. I was wondering about the need for an SVA too. If so it'd come back on a 'q' plate. So for your 8grand you get a chopped up sierra with some mustang shaped f/glass with the stigma of a 'Q' Sounds barginous to me. Although, I too bet it'd shift with 4x4 and 'stage3' ( ) cos' power D
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