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Mar 18, 2008 10:48:32 GMT
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Why don't we learn from the past ? Whats wrong with timing chains ? OK so a cambelt will spin faster & is lighter.
Why do I ask ?
My bloody cambelt snapped on the Alfa 156 on Friday..............pistons got intimate with the valves.
Sometimes Progress includes backward steps !!!!!
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10mpg
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Mar 18, 2008 10:58:03 GMT
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erm well if you look at the latest generation of engines from most of the big name manufacturers they have reverted to chains, this is mainly to appeal to the fleet market tho as the servicing is much cheaper..
I always play safe with cam belts esp 90's ones as they were pushed to the max to lenghten service intervals, I always change mine at approx half the recommended intervals, or every couple of years, most cambelts are pee easy to change anyway (most.....)
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Mar 18, 2008 10:59:31 GMT
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Yup. Cambelts are going out of fashion - probably because some modern cars are starting to do silly mileage so the interval comes around far too soon.
Personally, I prefer the gear driven camshaft in my 2CV. Chains can snap too!
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Mar 18, 2008 11:06:38 GMT
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Thinking of that... I probably ought to change the on one the Polo at some point! Have no idea when it was last done tbh.
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Tim
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Mar 18, 2008 11:23:14 GMT
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Changing a cambelt - how difficult is it to redo the timing?
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Mar 18, 2008 11:31:56 GMT
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I was going to ask the exact same question the other day actually. Especially on repmobiles.
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I forgot how to retro...
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Mar 18, 2008 12:00:16 GMT
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I changed the cambelt on a Polo, took me just over an hour and I didn't have a handbook, most of the right tools, much enthusiasm.... With some cars you can push the belt backwards (towards the engine block) then start to put the new belt on. Then you can cut the old belt off and push the new one all the way on, no chance of the cam and crank getting mis-timed. Don't forget to make sure the cambelt tensioner is working ok while you're in there! The reasons for belts instead of chains are mainly cost and noise from a manufacturer's point of view. As said above, camchains can snap too!
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Mar 18, 2008 12:35:49 GMT
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Mar 18, 2008 12:47:29 GMT
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cam belts are quieter, cheaper and lighter and as long as they are inspected and changed when they should be they should give no bother, chains last longer generally but can be seriously compromised by missed oil changes and bad maintenace, both have advantages and disadvantages but neither should be any risk if looked after properly.
My 24v has a single duplex chain which lasts for donkeys despite the fact that these engines are known to eat the chain guides and tensioners, the later BOB version went to dual chains with one chain per bank, not a great idea cos if one side snaps the engine will keep running on 3 pots while hammering the pistons into the valves on the other bank!
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Mar 18, 2008 13:34:53 GMT
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belts and chains can jump and snap gears can strip - Oh what cr*p. Ooh, that rhymes
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Mar 18, 2008 14:17:07 GMT
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I like cambelts, OK youve gotta change em, but I reckon they are a better solution than a fuggin bicycle chain, lighter quieter + cheaper.
they're only really a problem when they snap and instantaneously destroy your engine causing out-and-out financial meltdown and subsequent poverty => homelessness => malaria etc.
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Mar 18, 2008 14:22:11 GMT
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never knew snapped cam belts gave you malaria, have to watch out for that.
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Mar 18, 2008 14:51:59 GMT
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mines given me Crabs
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Mar 18, 2008 15:09:38 GMT
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Cam belts snapping on an Alfa sounds expensive!
Mine's been changed recently on the Cosworth but I have had them snap before and it is generally expensive and unpleasant.
Charlie
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Mar 18, 2008 15:36:21 GMT
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My Tatra had a triplex timing chain on the hemi V8, still needed replacing after a mere 300-400k miles
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Mar 18, 2008 15:58:48 GMT
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My mums snapped on her MX-5 the other. Hurrah for non interference engines. New belt and 2 hrs work and jobs a gooden!
Nick
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Mar 18, 2008 16:10:46 GMT
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chains easily out last belts, much better and less bother in the long run.
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Mar 18, 2008 16:25:17 GMT
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chains easily out last belts, much better and less bother in the long run. But from a manufacturer's point of view, stuff that lasts forever is bad because it costs more. Allegedly Henry Ford used to go around scrap yards looking at dead Model Ts, found that the crankshaft was still in good order on them so ordered they should be cheaper at the factory. So what if they didn't last as long, they don't need to. If you're making 500,000 cars a year, saving a few quid is worth doing.
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Mar 18, 2008 16:52:35 GMT
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Haven't recent, err, This decades Astras & Vectras got a bit of a reputation for chewing them out earlier than most. Though workmate had his water-pump seize, striping timing belt, smashing valves. Maybe they're trying to do too much with them? Like Lancia Gammas reputation for snapping belts with the extra load of the power steering pump?
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Mar 18, 2008 17:00:44 GMT
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That wasn't the cambelt mate... ...Remember children,safety first!!
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