jonomisfit
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Oct 27, 2023 21:45:22 GMT
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Evening, I've been quiet on my threads recently as been in a major funk with life in general and car projects in particular. I like rallying, I have always wanted to compete, however i have repeatedly procrastinated my way out actually doing anythign about competing. Notably on the car front where I keep doing projects that arent actually heading towards competing, or building things and selling before I actually compete. Having had a fairly honest word with myself over the last few months, I am going to do it. I want to be competing in rallies of some descritpion in 2024. I have set my goal. My issue is, that whilst I am in the fortunate position to be able to afford an entry level rally car, all of my space is taken up by my current projects (Escort and the Morris). Thus my quandary. Do I sell something, and if I do which one. Do I sell this  P1050239 by jono_misfit, on Flickr Which i love, still have a vision for in my head, have sunk a huge amount of effort into so far, and needs loads more effort to finish, but havent touched in over 3 years. Or sell this.  P1070836 by jono_misfit, on Flickr Which i my dream car, that I have wanted since I was 15, and that if I sell I will never beable to afford again. As I said its not about selling to fund a rally car, its about making space to have one. I'm not overly keen on paying out money each month to rent storage to store either of them. If you were in my place, what would you choose, what would you sell? |
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Last Edit: Oct 27, 2023 21:46:21 GMT by jonomisfit
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Oct 27, 2023 22:00:32 GMT
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I'd find some storage for one of them, at least for a couple of years, you may never get one back if you regret selling.
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Oct 27, 2023 22:18:09 GMT
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I think your heart in the Morris, but your head says keep the Escort.
Could you tuck the Morris away somewhere?
This is an impossible situation, and it isn't even my decision/ situation!
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Oct 27, 2023 22:21:08 GMT
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Ooh, just a thought.
Could a late 90s (Saxo? 106?) hatch scratch your rally itch but live outside?
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Oct 27, 2023 22:43:24 GMT
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Evening, I've been quiet on my threads recently as been in a major funk with life in general and car projects in particular. I like rallying, I have always wanted to compete, however i have repeatedly procrastinated my way out actually doing anythign about competing. Notably on the car front where I keep doing projects that arent actually heading towards competing, or building things and selling before I actually compete. Having had a fairly honest word with myself over the last few months, I am going to do it. I want to be competing in rallies of some descritpion in 2024. I have set my goal. My issue is, that whilst I am in the fortunate position to be able to afford an entry level rally car, all of my space is taken up by my current projects (Escort and the Morris). Thus my quandary. Do I sell something, and if I do which one. Do I sell this P1050239 by jono_misfit, on Flickr Which i love, still have a vision for in my head, have sunk a huge amount of effort into so far, and needs loads more effort to finish, but havent touched in over 3 years. Or sell this. P1070836 by jono_misfit, on Flickr Which i my dream car, that I have wanted since I was 15, and that if I sell I will never beable to afford again. As I said its not about selling to fund a rally car, its about making space to have one. I'm not overly keen on paying out money each month to rent storage to store either of them. If you were in my place, what would you choose, what would you sell? Would the escort not make a good rally car? |
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vulgalour
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Oct 27, 2023 23:50:48 GMT
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I was wondering the same thing, perhaps the solution is right in front of you and actually completing one of them to compete with is the answer.
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jpsmit
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Would it perhaps be worth trying rallying before you commit to buy? It seems like (here in Canada at least) that people are regularly looking for co-drivers and navigators who are willing to share expenses without having to actually buy the car. Certainly the chance to try before you buy.
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jonomisfit
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Ooh, just a thought. Could a late 90s (Saxo? 106?) hatch scratch your rally itch but live outside? That's probably the style of car I'm looking to get. Unfortunately there isn't much outside space left, and mrs_misfit has made it clear she doesn't want another car filling it up anyway. |
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jonomisfit
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[quote author=" homersimpson" source="/post/2801111/thread" Would the escort not make a good rally car? [/quote] It would be possible to get a rally passport for the escort, but it would definitely need the cage removed and replaced with a current spec cage. Whilst a pain to do its not the end of the world. The biggest issue is the shear expense of parts now. The cost escort cosworth parts have gone insane, notably as so have the car prices. The rally parts have also gone up a lot in price, so if I damaged it the repair bill is likely to curtail any further rallying. |
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jonomisfit
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Would it perhaps be worth trying rallying before you commit to buy? It seems like (here in Canada at least) that people are regularly looking for co-drivers and navigators who are willing to share expenses without having to actually buy the car. Certainly the chance to try before you buy. I've got a master plan I'm working through on route to buying a car, which includes some things to really test my interest. BARS test and driver assessment Full day one to one driver training at a rally school Start Supporting events through local motor club I could try some co-driving as well, but my hearts in driving. Plus I get travel sick as a passenger at the best of times.... |
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I have read this thread three times.
Was not going to reply as it is never easy.
Storage for free for the hotrod project would be great as you keep your effort and buying price.
If you have absolutely nowhere to store it for 5 years, for free…… ☠️
The Escort will continue to increase stupidly in value, beyond your dreams.
Fords seem to do that, due to the whole scene.
I would not rally it.
Mothball it.
Pension
So…….
Only my perspective, having possibly two cars on my site that are both instantly for sale, but not advertised.
If you must………
Purely for logistical reasons, sell the hotrod.
Times change, fashions change, your taste will change.
PS. Good luck making the right decision for your next move.
Losing MoJo never helps.
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We all have different plans, ideas and regrets in life, some of which we don't really have full control of ! third party, health issues etc, etc. so I'll throw my tuppence worth in, probably all it is worth  If you can find some way of holding on to both cars for now, hold on to them. Try the rallying plan first and see if it does the trick and becomes your new love / must do thing. Maybe try it with an entry level car and if it really gets a hold you will have the money sat there in the Morris & the Ford to upgrade. If it doesn't work for you or give you a big enough buzz you have the cars to fall back in love with. I would try and find some mates rates or better still "mates free" storage for the Morris and go from there. some of this may help a little but good luck with which ever decision you make |
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Oct 28, 2023 10:29:32 GMT
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Personally I'd keep the Morris as its cool as, and seĺl the escort as I'm not a Ford man anyway, but they're not the reasons you're looking for.
The Morris is your own creation, which I would've though would bring more personal attachment, the escort is just another escort cosworth, which is more in line with your rallying ideas. So you'd end up with 2 rally cars.
I vote keep the Morris.
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Oct 28, 2023 10:50:50 GMT
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If it were me i'd sell them both and commit fully to realising that dream.
The fact you're considering selling either speaks volumes of their true worth in your life.
You could just go part time half hearted rallying but it's far more likely that it will consume every spare minute, pound and inch you can give.
However it's not me.
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Oct 28, 2023 11:16:43 GMT
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You said you don't need the money then keep both, As you haven't sold either up to now they are part of the family and you will regret selling maybe not soon but definitely in the long run.
Start going to lots of rally events and talk to people get yourself known, really put the effort in like you are taking part and see how much time and effort it really is, Once you get known things will either fall into place.. offers of cars and storage engines wheels trailers advice or doing a bit of crewing for people and it will ease you in or fizzle out then in 1 or 2 years you can come back to your present cars either sell them because you have the full rally set up and love the new hobby or get on finishing them because you now have the answer.
I am in a bit of the same predicament had to give up self employment and get a long hours job so no time for anything other than work at the moment and its hard to keep motivated about anything when you have no spare time or cash.
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Oct 28, 2023 11:23:18 GMT
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Join your local motor club that’s motorsport affiliated, this gives you access to rallying at the ‘12 car’ end before spending big bucks ….
Also you’ll be around people with similar ideas/goals and my have/ know of suitable storage…
Be careful once bitten it’s addictive! 😄
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jonomisfit
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Oct 28, 2023 21:52:42 GMT
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Thanks for all the inputs folks. Much further mulling is required.
If I can find somewhere to store one of them, then thats what i'll be doing. I've been looking for a few weeks and not found anywhere affordable yet. I have some mates asking other farming mates if they have any unused dry barns one could go in.
I have a couple of months before i'll be looking to buy anything, so have some time to procrastinate further...... unless the ideal car suddenly comes up.... then my timeline may be cut further. Which, seeing as it coming to theend of a lot of seasons is I guess when most cars will start coming up for sale.....
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I pulled out of circuit racing to go rallying last year. I started by taking part in local 12 cars with an EP3 Civic. Then went on to do a couple of Targa rallies in a Civic EF I purchased. I even manage a rally stage I can test at for free however I soon realised that full stage rallying was beyond my reach financially, well not beyond my reach but would make me very poor. Generally if you want a proper rally and not just some cones laid out on an airfield you are talking £500-£1000 per entry. Tyres you might use 6 in a day thats £750, plus travel, trailer, somewhere to stay and fuel it gets well out of hand. So I have given up and going circuit racing again. But below is a review of the Festival Targa I did last year which was lots of fun and cost about £300 all in for the day. www.slipandgripautomotive.co.uk/bont-rally-stage/our-first-go-bath-festival-targa-2023/22071/ |
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andyborris
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Oct 29, 2023 12:23:28 GMT
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If you go Rallying (even Classic Road) you'll spend all the money you have and a bit more, sell both and have the money ready in the bank for when you need it!
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jonomisfit
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Oct 29, 2023 13:06:31 GMT
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I pulled out of circuit racing to go rallying last year. I started by taking part in local 12 cars with an EP3 Civic. Then went on to do a couple of Targa rallies in a Civic EF I purchased. I even manage a rally stage I can test at for free however I soon realised that full stage rallying was beyond my reach financially, well not beyond my reach but would make me very poor. Generally if you want a proper rally and not just some cones laid out on an airfield you are talking £500-£1000 per entry. Tyres you might use 6 in a day thats £750, plus travel, trailer, somewhere to stay and fuel it gets well out of hand. So I have given up and going circuit racing again. But below is a review of the Festival Targa I did last year which was lots of fun and cost about £300 all in for the day. www.slipandgripautomotive.co.uk/bont-rally-stage/our-first-go-bath-festival-targa-2023/22071/Great write up and sounds like something good to have a go at. I may well start my forray with some 12 car and Targa events and see how that goes. I'm under no illussion as to the expense of competing in full stage rally, and i've done my best to make a cost model for a years competion, doing only a limited amount of events. I'll take on board your comments on tyres though and will give that a tweak in it. I did some musing in the workshop earlier about if I can strip the morris down to its shell and store it on a frame rasied up circa 2m height. A quick CAD model says yes, but a right pain to make and do. I also looked at if I moved the machine area could I get two cars in end to end. Yes. Just. however then I have no workshop space for lathes etc. It is stacking up to one or both is going to have to go. |
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