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Oct 31, 2023 19:05:48 GMT
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I think from what I remember of 12 car regs, the if the engine is under 1500cc, then you are allowed a turbo car - if its larger, then you aren't, so I guess that rules the Escort out. Even if you don't crash it, simple wear and tear from stage rallying would rule out using it for me. Very easy to have big dreams of competition and go silly - and not actually get out there and do it. Try it cheaply and then decide on what to do with the projects (the Avenger sounds a lost cause though . . ) - even rent a drive on an event of two. In that case, maybe the rules will allow you to run the car with a NA engine? Being Pinto based, there are a lot of options. From a simple SOHC Pinto on twin 45's, to a NA converted Cossie. A temporary swap can probably be done without doing damage to the car. And a milder engine would be easier on the driveline too... I guess, to me, competing in a car is kind of a bonding thing. I wouldn't want to waste that time and money on a car I didnt care about... Nothing wrong with a 106 if it is your dreamcar. If its not, I wouldn't touch it...
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Darkspeed
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Oct 31, 2023 20:43:39 GMT
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If I recall the Cosworth in the Escort is the 2.9 V6 BOA/BOB 24V - with the associated 4x4 units from the XR/Scorpio 4x4 ?
As Jono states, and depending on the competition regulations, it may not be a particularly easy task to log book the cage unless there is an MSA design document for the cage type / diameters / manufacturer that can be obtained and referred to. If its a builder design using diameters of the time then it could be okay if continuously log booked but if not its a new cage to the latest regs. Even that route may not be open with the changes around cages made a few years back that basically outlawed anything old unless there were full design calcs still covering it.
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Last Edit: Oct 31, 2023 20:52:33 GMT by Darkspeed
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"If I recall the Cosworth in the Escort is the 2.9 V6 BOA/BOB 24V - with the associated 4x4 units from the XR/Scorpio 4x4 ?"
I think you are right.
Sorry, I got that wrong...
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75swb
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I'd be finding an autotest, auto solo, or targa rally and getting the ecos ready for entry. You've built it to a bloody good spec to be used properly, get a livery on it (or don't), and get out and use it.
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Last Edit: Nov 1, 2023 2:58:27 GMT by 75swb
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16grit
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Why not start with a seaon's worth of Targa events? These are a logical 'apprenticeship' into the sport where you will gain not just driving experience but knowledge of all the other stuff which means that when you do get involved in a stage event further down the road, simple mistakes mean that those expensive entry fees, accomodation and travel expenses etc are not wasted after a handful of miles... Don't underestimate either the fun you might have or the level of challenge for the car and crew that are available on the what we could loosely term the cream of targa type events dotted around the UK. There are a number of very serious targas out there. The Preston Rally, The Bustard, The Exmoor and even The MULL.. amongst many many others...(a proper proper road rally still exists outside Wales in the form of The Bagger (Jan '24)) Targas are a species of 'road rally' (traditionally a rally on open roads at night focusing particularly on navigational difficutly as just as much as driving challenges), but USUALLY now held during the day, and the regulations applicable are the same. Virtually no car prep is actually MANDATORY, apart from simple safety checks. The more serious Targas involving gravel or perhaps night time driving SOMETIMES mandate A REAR HALF CAGE minimum, but these are really the exception. Here's and MSA video on TARGA requirments Soooooo, Now, you MAY want to think about a minimum level of car prep, maybe some upgraded shocks and springs, maybe a sump and fuel tank guard. All actually things that don't ACTUALLY NEED A GARAGE FOR.....particularly if you buy a car that has already had a little prep done.....(and something already have a rear half-cage in it MIGHT justify buying an already-prepped thing) So then, why not look at the 'no space' thing as 'good thing'. Going rallying is exactly that. Don't start another 'project'. Don't clear any space. If you go down the Targa route to start with, the car is going to be a regular-looking road car so you can park it anywhere. Aim for something that you DON'T want to be working on, because you are going rallying right?? This entry list gives you an idea of the cars that you might want to choose from mtc1.uk/Entry/Preston23/EntryList.phpNext, find a mate, or wife or so or daughter or whoever, have a chat about going on a rallying adventure with them. You're going to be paying the lions share, they get to learn how to sit in the silly seat for cheap. That person ****might**** even have a bit of garage space where you could do any basic prep / repairs (shock or brake pad changes etc)...... Don't underestimate the importance of having someone to share all the fun, games and tears (and maybe motivation) with..... Next, find a club or two that is local that has at least one event annually you could get involved with, and then get an entry in.....and you could be out there doing a bit of this..
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jonomisfit
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Great input folks, very much appreciated.
I've just joined the closest motor club, kirk Lonsdale and will head along to their monthly meet night to speak to some folks.
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Last Edit: Nov 1, 2023 18:37:13 GMT by jonomisfit: Change, what change, nope I never changed money to monthly
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mrbig
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Great input folks, very much appreciated. I've just joined the closest motor club, kirk Lonsdale and will head along to their money meet night to speak to some folks. Freudian slip there?
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1969 German Look Beetle - in progress
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Why don't you ask ivanhoew on here? he has plenty of barns that might do (could be a bit damp mind) and would probably welcome a small rental charge as he does not work.
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I agree with 16grit! and would like to add my 2 pence worth to it.
In my experience.
Rallying WILL take over Fact
you'll want to keep on improving the car, then after a while you'll want to build another car with what you've learned.
ill apologise in advance for any egg sucking advice given.
To get the escort Targa / road rally Legal, it would need interior, a different Engine, non vertical hydraulic hand brake, Engine: 4 cylinder Maximum turbos must be under 1500cc if a an injected 16v will need to be on std injection system (ecu's are free) if you'd want a pinto its a maximum of TWO Chokes, so a single Webber or Dave Brooks splits.
even then some events don't allow 4wd. you won't be able to run it as RWD as they never made a mk 5/6 escort RWD)
yes you can use pretty much anything as long as it within the rules (a 2.0l Zafira won the Coleman tyres Road rally a few years ago)
But Don't get something that's obscure, hard to get rallying bits for, or getting expensive to get panels bumpers for (205's, 309's, Nova's) and is pretty quick / good handling (a slower good handling car is better than fast car that corners like a plate of sick)
I'd be looking for something with rallying form (been used before knowledge and parts availability point of view),
Nissan Micra BMW compact, MG ZR MX5 (you all ready have a spare engine sat in the morris) pug 106 / citroen saxo (base models can be had cheap and easily upgraded, seats harness' and a steering wheel transformed my "spare" 1.1 into a proper giggle machine, yes it was slow but that's not the point) 206 xsi or Gti xsara vts corsa a/b Clio (197's are coming down in price, twingo citroen C2
non turbo 4wd Impreza, (may limit you on events)
Personally I'd sell the morris to start with, then once you have been well and truly bitten the escort (the Escort could be passported, with a new cage, seats / harness, extinguishers etc) but as you have said its worth too much to rally it and bits are getting really silly more so now for the 909 bits as the Sierra Cosworth is in post historic now. I'm not sure what class a 4wd BOA/BOB engined car would fall into.
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Take the Next slot right coming up on the left.
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