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Aug 25, 2018 13:10:45 GMT
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Looking at better brake pads for my Anglia.
Currently have Capri 2.8i M16 Ford calipers with vented discs with std Ferodo pads. No servo and twin master cylinders /bias bar. Brakes work well but on the hill climb at the gathering it showed when hot that they lose some 'bite' so would like to get some pads with more initial 'bite' but not racing pads that need warming up first as its a road car.
Been told EBC green stuff might be what I'm after - recommendations please?
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Aug 25, 2018 13:41:50 GMT
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I thought EBC red stuff were better for fast road.
I fitted them to one of my Carltons after being recommended and was happy. Red stuff are low dust too, say EBC.
I used the car on track and after repeated very hard braking from speeds as high as 140 I felt they started to become less effective so have changed to yellow stuff, but for fast road I would happily use red again, they were absolutely fine for everyday motoring with occasional high speed and hard braking.
I havent tried any other brands. EBC colours and desctriptions are easy to use for a non expert like me, and they were recommended. Their website has helpful descriptions of what each type are for, worth a read so you can decide for yourself.
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tristanh
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Aug 25, 2018 13:52:25 GMT
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We just fitted Brembo Performance to the ur quattro and Dad is very happy. It's kind of a "fast Road" pad.
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adam73bgt
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Aug 25, 2018 15:58:49 GMT
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EBC seem to get a lot of stick online but I've been using Yellowstuff in my Corolla and have been pretty pleased with the results. It's my daily driver but I also do some track work with it, and the pads seem to compromise well between the two. On the road they're just like normal pads but they've also worked well on track (Bedford Autodrome track day and Nurburgring), the Corolla isn't the fastest or heaviest in the world but the stopping power felt consistent. The only thing I would say, is after the 'ring, the front pads were starting to look a little worse for wear, some crumbling of the material which isn't unheard of if running at high temperatures and one was getting a little thin. So I suppose on a heavier, more powerful car, the wear life might be less acceptable. Another thing to note is that they're pretty quiet too, I got a little squeal occasionally after the 'ring but that seems to have gone away again now
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Aug 25, 2018 16:02:55 GMT
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Mintex 1144's.
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Aug 25, 2018 16:40:40 GMT
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I've been using EBC Ultimax pads and discs (mild upgrade over standard) on my BMW and I really like them! Lower dust and better braking and although I don't drive like a loony that often they are lasting really well.
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steveg
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Aug 25, 2018 18:57:42 GMT
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My only experience of Greenstuff pads was with my Triumph 2000. To be honest they didn't seem to work very well unless you made a point of getting them really hot. When they were hot after driving with my foot on the brake for a bit they were better to the point of being throw you through the screen good.
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Aug 25, 2018 19:42:33 GMT
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All good feedback so far, I only want better road brakes so want to avoid 'track' pads. Any more info on the Mintex 1144 pads?
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dadstaxi
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Aug 25, 2018 20:43:02 GMT
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I am hearing great things about ATE Ceramics and with the multiple discounts at Eurocarparts they look pretty reasonably priced.
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Aug 26, 2018 14:37:37 GMT
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This. Work better from clap cold than many road pads do.
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Aug 26, 2018 15:32:59 GMT
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^^this is what I want to know. Are they 'grippier' than std pads as well?
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Aug 26, 2018 22:00:04 GMT
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Usually. Everything I've used them on they've basically just been like a standard pad with everything turned up to 11.
The only downside they have is they're sometimes a bit squeally if you don't give them a pasting for a while.
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Aug 26, 2018 22:23:55 GMT
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Have you set the brakes by feel or on rollers ? I set up on my brake rollers to get max effort then move bias forward if the rears lock up on the road .
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Aug 26, 2018 22:32:08 GMT
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set up by feel and by instructions - fronts will lock up under hard braking, rears used to a little until I backed them off just enough to avoid this. Brakes then tested on rollers to pass IVA.
Think I'll try the mintex, see how I get on with them.
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Aug 27, 2018 16:00:03 GMT
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I use Mintex pads on my Escort with the same vented calipers as you. I use them for competition and road use and I've never had a problem with them. The same pads have been in there for over 10 years now and they still work good. My car is probably not as quick as yours but weighs 1000kg with full tank and my fat onboard, but the events I do involves a lot of acceleration and hard breaking and I've never had an issue with fade or overheating.
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Aug 27, 2018 18:48:51 GMT
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Have 16P callipers on my Vitesse which use the same pads bar the pin hole size. These run with solid discs. Car has about 140 BHP and weighs just under a ton unladen.
Mintex 1144 pads gave a very useful increase in bite from stone cold - really transformed the brakes. Only downside was we found them possible to fade (pad fade, rock hard pedal, no stop) though only after fairly extreme treatment ( road only but the may have been an Alp involved).
To upgrade from those I've gone to Ferodo DS2500 compound which are a bit dear but have proved unfadeable to date, even when the discs have been glowing..... They do have slightly less cold bite than the 1144s but this shows more as getting better when hot than being lacking when cold.
Rally Design is my usual source but worth checking prices as they can vary quite a bit.
Nick
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Aug 27, 2018 19:19:36 GMT
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Thanks Nick & Jonsey, good to hear real world experience.
There is also a 'big disc' conversion to 285mm discs I've found out which just needs some adaptor brackets made for the calipers - so something else to consider. Last upgrade would be 4 pot wilwood calipers but prefer not to go that spendy as brakes are very good as they are really so I don't think they need any major improvement.
Rally design have the mintex pads at just under £38 plus VAT, Burton and others are £60?
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Aug 27, 2018 19:20:57 GMT
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PS, mine is 1360Kg with around 350-400 hp.
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Aug 27, 2018 21:27:26 GMT
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Sounds about right on the price for 1144. DS2500 more like £85!
Working on a vented conversion for mine (Capri 2.8 discs). Will go back to the 1144s with those.
My EBC experience with Green Stuff was that they were no better than the standard pads a produced loads of dust. This was a good few years ago though, seen suggestions that the compound has been changed since.
Not surprised you need a bit more brake with those numbers. Bigger disc would make a useful difference.
Nick
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adam73bgt
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Aug 27, 2018 21:38:50 GMT
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Consider also the width of the disc, bigger vent gap or thicker disc cheeks for increased thermal mass should help also
Not sure if your calipers will allow for that though, or are they ones that can be spaced wider with spacers?
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