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Mar 16, 2018 14:08:36 GMT
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Maybe I´m the only one and should take a break from the forum, but can it be that this once fine forum has changed a lot - and not in a positive way? Somehow my love for it has fallen asleep. There was a time when I spend much (probably too much) time here, fearing I could miss something. But that´s no longer like it IMHO. Many old users have gone missing or at least have become rare. Users whose threads were really interesting, like MysteryMachine, EmDee, Dez, MarkBognor, dbizzle,... to name just a few. Okay, Dez left with an explaination: he no longer got the feedback he hoped for, when other rather uninspiring threads got a lot more attention, so he couldn`t be bothered to write here anymore. Now VagVaz quit for the same reason. But all the others! Do they all have time-consuming businesses running meanwhile like MM has? Or did this forum really change that much to disattract those? One thing I really can not understand is the growing amount of posts containing pics of run-of-the-mill or original / stock cars or parts, where the thread starter explicitly asked for interesting or awesome or cool or otherwise extra-ordinary posts. Best example of the recent past:   Found in a show-me-hotrods-thread. In which universe is that grotesque sheet metal bender product a hotrod? Reminds me more of a superseven replica designed by 4 year old kid with a ruler. If the owner attended a hotrod event he would be laughed at, if not tarred and feathered! Okay, that´s just the climax (to me) of missing the topic. There have always been a few posts showing everyday cars, when cool examples were asked for. But meanwhile, if you ask back why these should qualify, you probably get the answer that it´s the poster's opinion of awesomeness/coolness/whateverness! Okay then, so this might be somebody´s image of a gundog:  For some this may be a yacht:  And some may even consider her as a M.I.L.F. ?!?  C'mon! Is this forum really going to consider mediocre as the new desirable? Awesomeness replaced by triviality? Coolness by boredom? If so RR forum might be getting ready for a museum?! |
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Mar 16, 2018 14:47:59 GMT
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Many old users have gone missing or at least have become rare. Users whose threads were really interesting, like MysteryMachine, EmDee, Dez, MarkBognor, dbizzle,... to name just a few. I think you mean Racer86, nightmaresracing, blue850, meatballturbo, SkoCan,... to name just a few. |
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phil73
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Mar 16, 2018 15:29:15 GMT
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Happening across a lot of car forums. Kids aren't into cars like we were (I'm 45.) Heck, maintaining anything newer than 2000 requires a good knowledge of electronics. I just don't think there are as many newer entrants to this pastime. Cars are on loan like a mobile phone and just disposable.
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Mar 16, 2018 15:40:37 GMT
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Happening across a lot of car forums. Kids aren't into cars like we were (I'm 45.) Heck, maintaining anything newer than 2000 requires a good knowledge of electronics. I just don't think there are as many newer entrants to this pastime. Cars are on loan like a mobile phone and just disposable. That isn't true, go to a Roll Hard event and you'll see a load of young people just as in to cars as you. Maybe I´m the only one and should take a break from the forum, but can it be that this once fine forum has changed a lot - and not in a positive way? This "oh my god RR isn't like is used to be" thread comes up EVERY YEAR from someone. You know what it isn't like it used to be. Sure there have been some duff comments and dull threads, SAME AS ALWAYS. If you've started noticing them of the quality content, well maybe that is on you rather than on the forum. |
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Mar 16, 2018 15:44:45 GMT
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I suppose I'm one of the guilty ones who read a lot but never post.
As said by others in the VagVaz thread, my skills are non existant so feel that my input on somebody elses build thread is irrelevant.
No words of encouragement either though as not to create massive build threads made up of 50% of the same.
Doesn't mean I'm not in awe of most of the builds and still spend a couple of hours a day when time allows having a read through as much as I can.
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zeberdee
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Mar 16, 2018 16:07:08 GMT
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I suppose I'm one of the guilty ones who read a lot but never post. As said by others in the VagVaz thread, my skills are non existant so feel that my input on somebody elses build thread is irrelevant. No words of encouragement either though as not to create massive build threads made up of 50% of the same. Doesn't mean I'm not in awe of most of the builds and still spend a couple of hours a day when time allows having a read through as much as I can. Very much this . Enjoy reading the threads , getting ideas . But , I don’t really feel i can add anything worthwhile . |
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Mar 16, 2018 16:27:56 GMT
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I'm fairly new here and visit a lot, whilst on breaks in work or lounging at home, but car wise I'm pushing it for retro cool with a '94 Astra and a '00 E39 520i, plus I'm at the basic slap some wheels on it and some other tat and done level. I read the threads where people nonchalantly make a modern engine fit a retro ride and think fair dues, but have nothing to add apart from what would probably be seen as a stupid question so I don't post. But don't think that's because I can't be arsed  Forums change, they either grow or die, the fact RR is still here with monsters like Facebook groups etc poaching older forum goers speaks realms, it's still a strong forum, and I'll still visit until I'm rereading old threads from boredom. |
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Mar 16, 2018 16:58:58 GMT
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Well, I've got to agree with @automatik he's hit the nail absolutely square on the head! It seemed to me that at one time there were a lot of excellent threads running that had good photography, and were well written and above all, interesting. That just doesn't seem to be the case to me anymore. Don't get me wrong, there are still a few that I read and enjoy, it's just that three or four years ago I was absolutely hooked, i'd log on three or four times a day just to keep up. People like xbo11ox had be logging very frequently to see what new automotive adventure he had gotten himself involved with, but suddenly, he, and various others that I logged in to read about vanished! Without trace! I still check to see if they've logged on, and some of them do, and I sit here hoping for a return, but it doesn't come. Perhaps they've moved on to slightly more modern cars and so don't bother posting anymore for fear of being blasted as not being very retro. Perhaps they've gotten into motorbikes and so don't bother posting anymore because its not a car. So these great writers and story tellers are either doing it elsewhere, or not doing it at all. My guess is that a few of them are still writing, but just doing it alone in their own blog or something where they can write whatever they like without being judged for not being retro or whatever. The thing is wishing and hoping for this forum to be good and interesting again is all very well, but really the best thing we can all do is start posting interesting stuff, it's not just down to the few brilliant, but absent members, it's down to all of us, and if we don't do it then really it is over for this forum. As for this thing... I know we like to think that everything has potential, but what were they thinking. To that end have a picture of my freshly MOT'd hotrod...  |
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Mar 16, 2018 17:20:36 GMT
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Its too cold to go in the garage and work on stuff at the moment!
I found myself getting on here every couple of hours, every day hoping to come across new build threads or updates. I've stopped myself coming on quite so regularly, or keep my attention elsewhere for 3 out of 4 times I come on to give people the chance to actually get an update on their build threads.
There is cool stuff in the works, just give it some time. Once I start my new job I may have some actual proper stuff to contribute to this forum for once!
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Mar 16, 2018 17:33:53 GMT
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People like xbo11ox had be logging very frequently to see what new automotive adventure he had gotten himself involved with, but suddenly, he, and various others that I logged in to read about vanished! Without trace! I still check to see if they've logged on, and some of them do, and I sit here hoping for a return, but it doesn't come. Perhaps they've moved on to slightly more modern cars and so don't bother posting anymore for fear of being blasted as not being very retro. I think a number of them moved on with their lives and have jobs and kids and other things that take up their time. Or moved on to different places I believe mr_bollocks frequents autoshite as do a number of other folks. God I hate that I have to have this conversation every year. Apparently this forum died the first time in about 2008, which I believe is before anyone else that has posted in this thread joined the forum. If you feel the forum isn't what you want either a) post up content that you want to see more of, b) go elsewhere and find it or c) if you think posts aren't appropriate to the forum (either quality wise or content or whatever) there is a report button, report it. If you aren't going to do those things, then don't post up a thread complaining about the quality of the forum because you are then literally part of the problem and not part of any solution. |
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vulgalour
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Mar 16, 2018 17:48:38 GMT
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Mar 16, 2018 17:49:22 GMT
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It works both ways though, when someone asks a question on someones build thread, and doesnt get any response,they might then feel that there’s no point on commenting or showing interest ......
Plus as has been mentioned,this time of year most people that don't have access to a large dry warm workshop,tend to limit what they do on their projects.
Some of us are not lucky enough to have the skills or abilities to do half of what gets posted here,a lot of it is over my head, so don’t feel sufficiently knowledgable to offer advice etc.
Still love the place though .. where else can you see someone building a twin engined Volvo,converting a military fire engine to a car transportation device, a souped up Allegro ,purple Princesses and someone building workshop machinery just to make panels for a Mazda?
If i commented on all the threads i liked,i’d be here all night!
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Last Edit: Mar 16, 2018 17:51:13 GMT by optimusprime: Carp spelin
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Mar 16, 2018 17:55:36 GMT
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Have a ‘Rod’ ...  |
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Mar 16, 2018 17:57:08 GMT
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I'm still here. :-)
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Mar 16, 2018 18:20:14 GMT
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i have slightly contrary observation
i had to double check my maths but i've been a heavy forum user nudging 20 years now (eek) out of all of the forums i have used since the birth of realistic affordable internet, against all odds and trends this one seems to be in the minority that are thriving, infact growing. but maybe we are talking about different things, maybe you mean quality has fallen?
one of my observations of the "old guard" i can remember, a thread which generated 30 pages just from choosing some wheels. no real merit to the content, but presumably loads of footfall (eye fall ?) and comments due to being an internet personality.
meanwhile i just read that 309 to estate conversion which is quite brief but technically adept and savvy, it will probably slide off the first few pages after a couple of "thats cool mate" because hes not an internet personality.
not trying to be controversial mind you, just pointing out the dichotomy. everything is cyclical and we should be getting behind the new people more, getting more involved.
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Mar 16, 2018 18:22:37 GMT
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Mar 16, 2018 18:31:13 GMT
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i have slightly contrary observation i had to double check my maths but i've been a heavy forum user nudging 20 years now (eek) out of all of the forums i have used since the birth of realistic affordable internet, against all odds and trends this one seems to be in the minority that are thriving, infact growing. but maybe we are talking about different things, maybe you mean quality has fallen? one of my observations of the "old guard" i can remember, a thread which generated 30 pages just from choosing some wheels. no real merit to the content, but presumably loads of footfall (eye fall ?) and comments due to being an internet personality. meanwhile i just read that 309 to estate conversion which is quite brief but technically adept and savvy, it will probably slide off the first few pages after a couple of "thats cool mate" because hes not an internet personality. not trying to be controversial mind you, just pointing out the dichotomy. everything is cyclical and we should be getting behind the new people more, getting more involved. That is one point i have observed quite a lot over many varied forums ....... there will always be 2 or 3 members that no matter what they post, their posts will always attract comments. Not saying its right or wrong,just the way it is. |
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Rob M
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Mar 16, 2018 18:42:08 GMT
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i have slightly contrary observation i had to double check my maths but i've been a heavy forum user nudging 20 years now (eek) out of all of the forums i have used since the birth of realistic affordable internet, against all odds and trends this one seems to be in the minority that are thriving, infact growing. but maybe we are talking about different things, maybe you mean quality has fallen? one of my observations of the "old guard" i can remember, a thread which generated 30 pages just from choosing some wheels. no real merit to the content, but presumably loads of footfall (eye fall ?) and comments due to being an internet personality. meanwhile i just read that 309 to estate conversion which is quite brief but technically adept and savvy, it will probably slide off the first few pages after a couple of "thats cool mate" because hes not an internet personality. not trying to be controversial mind you, just pointing out the dichotomy. everything is cyclical and we should be getting behind the new people more, getting more involved. Well said. I think, at times, there has been too much emphasis on the person posting than what is being posted. I cannot understand why but some are feted as 'Super Deities' that could stick some slot mags on a turd and it would illicit 21 pages of fawning by their fan clubs. This forum evolves, it's very survival will rely on new blood building, creating and posting. The old guard will post or not post, It is life, we all move on. We need to embrace the present and the future and only live in the past when it comes to cars, not posters. That 'rod' is based on a Scimitar chassis and was hawked on the carandclassic site for an age even though it's V5 had been revoked by the DVLA. Now, if he had frequented this place, maybe, he would have built it better..... |
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Mar 16, 2018 18:48:26 GMT
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This is the only forum I visit daily. I really like the diversity of the cars & even the comments that people post. I love the skill level of the fabrication work that some of the project threads have.
I have found recently that some people are throwing up negative remarks with very little feedback(see the awesome wheels thread) for example.
I like the fact that posting pics is easier than a lot of forums.
It's funny though as on another forum I no longer use, i can post pics in my build thread of a huge change to my vehicle like recently my wheel refurb which I'm really proud of & no comments. Some of the longer standing 'big' builds can put an air freshener on the rear view mirror & it will get 5 likes & loads of feedback!
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Mar 16, 2018 18:55:14 GMT
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..., maybe you mean quality has fallen? ... Exactly ... God I hate that I have to have this conversation every year. ... I wasn´t aware of this and you should not take my criticism too personally. Thanks for answering, but I will set myself on a RR diet for a while now, just read from time to time and I will see if I feel that need again sometime to spend more time here again... |
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