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Nov 14, 2017 16:13:27 GMT
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Does that include me and my mates? Basically, I'm going to collect a project car and we're gonna be close to but not over the max 3500kg train weight, so I'm asking if we get pulled and weighed will they weigh the car the trailer and us. Or just car and trailer? Tow car: 1620kg Trailer: 450kg Car on trailer: 1260kg TOTAL: 3330kg Fat me, Tall Adam + Fat Matt probably more than 300kg  EDIT: so as you can see if we're in the car we're over the limit. If we get to get out were under.  |
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Last Edit: Nov 14, 2017 16:26:29 GMT by stonyray
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Nov 14, 2017 16:28:20 GMT
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Hi, The train weight is car, trailer and load, the occupants are counted as load. At the side of the road they will do a quick questimated load to decide if it needs to go to a weighbridge if it's close, they usually take a passenger as 75kgs each unless it's obvious it's more.
Colin
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Last Edit: Nov 14, 2017 16:30:24 GMT by colnerov
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Nov 14, 2017 16:39:33 GMT
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Hi, The train weight is car, trailer and load, the occupants are counted as load. At the side of the road they will do a quick questimated load to decide if it needs to go to a weighbridge if it's close, they usually take a passenger as 75kgs each unless it's obvious it's more. Colin So make sure that the car that is on the trailer is empty of fuel & water, take nothing else in the towing car - make sure that none of you have eaten for 24 hours & that the laxatives have taken effect before you leave - may be if you all go in shorts & T shirts you might just scrape under  |
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Last Edit: Nov 14, 2017 16:40:22 GMT by Deleted
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Nov 14, 2017 16:53:19 GMT
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Fill the boot with helium balloons to pull the car up? Guess I need to do the trailer test to be safe.
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Nov 14, 2017 20:13:11 GMT
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Rule of thumb is make sure that every thing looks and is correct - i.e. trailered vehicle is properly secured to the trailer, that the trailer is up and together with all lights working - proper number plate displayed etc - observe the towing speed - allow more time than you think you need - act responsibly and the chances are that the authorities will leave you alone - However, I can't guarantee it
The ones that advertise 'Pull Me' by running with shoddy trailers with mudgards hanging off, lights not working, trailered vehicle poorly secured, tails of the ratchet straps flying about, number plate made from a cornflake box with the writing of a 2 year old on it and the whole outfit ragged down the road with the trailer snaking behind the tow vehicle is just asking for the book to be thrown at them.
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slater
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Max train weight 3500kg?!?!slater
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Nov 14, 2017 20:20:21 GMT
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Out of interest what's the tow car?
Oh and go on a diet!
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Nov 14, 2017 20:37:47 GMT
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Hi, There's more than the licence to worry about, is the combination under or over 3500kgs will dictate whether you need B or B+E. Then there's Construction and use regulations, are the towing vehicle and the trailer operating within their documented limits? Is it for personal or business use? Therein lie more regulations.
Colin
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Nov 14, 2017 21:00:39 GMT
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I agree with Grumpy, if it looks kosher, you'll probably be OK
I am fortunately old enough, that when I learned to drive, they gave me a licence which allows me to tow just about anything. But in a long career in the motor trade and as a car nut I have towed all sorts of stuff on all sorts of trailers behind all sorts of vehicles. Never once have I checked any weights and i've NEVER been pulled when towing. Not once in 45 years! Though i've had more than enough tugs while running solo!
Steve
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Nov 14, 2017 23:58:37 GMT
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Hi, As have I but that was then this is now. Nowadays they won't give you a slapped wrist and send you on your way.
Colin
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Max train weight 3500kg?!?!Rob M
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Nov 15, 2017 12:43:49 GMT
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Hi, As have I but that was then this is now. Nowadays they won't give you a slapped wrist and send you on your way. Colin That's true. Ive never seen so many VOSA vehicles out and about and in laybys pulling in random vehicles. Nobody is safe. |
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Nov 15, 2017 13:16:12 GMT
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you need to check the MAM of the tow vehicle and the trailer, those are the combined figures they look at not what they weigh empty.
i.e my BMW weighs around 1450, but its MAM is 2 ton, therefore I can legally use a 1500 kg MAM trailer behind it on my 3.5t license (even though there is a towing weight of 1800 kg stated for the vehicle)
something like a transit T350 weighs around the 2200 mark, but its mam is 3500, so i'd need to do a trailer test to tow anything braked, after that I can go up to the usual 2275kg towing weight, giving max of 5775 train.
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Nov 15, 2017 13:26:53 GMT
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If you are staying in the uk just take someone in the car who has B+E (i.e someone older) and stick some L plates on, it can be whoever they don't have to drive - I took my mum. You can go on the motorway and everything there are no restrictions and as long as you are within the car and trailers MAMs you don't have to worry about the 3.5T limit.
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Nov 15, 2017 13:30:41 GMT
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Out of interest what's the tow car? Oh and go on a diet! Towing vehicle is a 2013 BMW 525d wagon, she can tow up to 2200kg braked and has a kerb of 1750 (1620 was my E class) I get what peeps are saying about looking legit and sensible but its not me who will be driving and I don't want Adam to risk his licence for my rotten MR2 Turbo. |
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Last Edit: Nov 15, 2017 13:32:07 GMT by stonyray
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Nov 15, 2017 17:27:02 GMT
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Looking at your weight figures the trailer and the car on it should be less than your 2200kg tow weight (so that's ok and legal)
And as long as the tow car isn't full of stuff so it's as close to its curb weight as possible then the "overall train weight" is ok (so that's legal as well)
Firstly. If you did get pulled over and they wanted to check weights they will weight both separate (including axle weights) so it's no help taking stuff from one and filling the other they both need to be right
Secondly. As its a mr2 put it on the trailer backwards so you have more weight on the hitch (less chance of wobble)
As for the license side I don't know anything about it
I done my car test before that came in and i have a class 1 hgv license so I've never looked into. It
With all that said I've towed lots of over weight trailers in my time and I've never been pulled (motorways are where they hide in waiting)
Generally because I've been careful and its looked safe
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Nov 15, 2017 17:43:10 GMT
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The ones that advertise 'Pull Me' by running with shoddy trailers with mudgards hanging off, lights not working, trailered vehicle poorly secured, tails of the ratchet straps flying about, number plate made from a cornflake box with the writing of a 2 year old on it and the whole outfit ragged down the road with the trailer snaking behind the tow vehicle is just asking for the book to be thrown at them. Much as this is true and sensible and all that I must confess that there is a certain panache to towing a disreputable trailer. Some of the contraptions I have towed over the years and lost parts thereof along Her Majesty's highway. There is nothing so sad as those silly little trailers they sell at Halfords. You want a box made out of old pallets atop a chassis welded from angle iron running on an old Moggy Minor back axle. Matching lights either side definitely loses points. Purists will still use a proper 2 inch ball hitch. |
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Nov 15, 2017 18:01:38 GMT
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The ones that advertise 'Pull Me' by running with shoddy trailers with mudgards hanging off, lights not working, trailered vehicle poorly secured, tails of the ratchet straps flying about, number plate made from a cornflake box with the writing of a 2 year old on it and the whole outfit ragged down the road with the trailer snaking behind the tow vehicle is just asking for the book to be thrown at them. Much as this is true and sensible and all that I must confess that there is a certain panache to towing a disreputable trailer. Some of the contraptions I have towed over the years and lost parts thereof along Her Majesty's highway. There is nothing so sad as those silly little trailers they sell at Halfords. You want a box made out of old pallets atop a chassis welded from angle iron running on an old Moggy Minor back axle. Matching lights either side definitely loses points. Purists will still use a proper 2 inch ball hitch. The real purist will use a 50mm ball with a 2" hitch for extra wobblyness! Oh, and if anyone found the light unit, complete with metal cage and brackets that fell off my (widened caravan chassis'd) trailer many years ago, I'm sorry, and no I don't need it back! |
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Nov 16, 2017 11:29:45 GMT
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Much as this is true and sensible and all that I must confess that there is a certain panache to towing a disreputable trailer. Some of the contraptions I have towed over the years and lost parts thereof along Her Majesty's highway. There is nothing so sad as those silly little trailers they sell at Halfords. You want a box made out of old pallets atop a chassis welded from angle iron running on an old Moggy Minor back axle. Matching lights either side definitely loses points. Purists will still use a proper 2 inch ball hitch. The real purist will use a 50mm ball with a 2" hitch for extra wobblyness! Oh, and if anyone found the light unit, complete with metal cage and brackets that fell off my (widened caravan chassis'd) trailer many years ago, I'm sorry, and no I don't need it back! Oh yes - one of my boat trailers had a 2 inch hitch running on a 50mm ball - made a wonderful noise as you tootled along. |
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Nov 16, 2017 11:53:43 GMT
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Out of interest what's the tow car? Oh and go on a diet! Towing vehicle is a 2013 BMW 525d wagon, she can tow up to 2200kg braked and has a kerb of 1750 (1620 was my E class) I get what peeps are saying about looking legit and sensible but its not me who will be driving and I don't want Adam to risk his licence for my rotten MR2 Turbo. MAM/GVW for one of those is 2255, so you can only put 1245kg behind it on your licence. |
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Nov 16, 2017 19:34:34 GMT
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Only time I've been pulled towing was using my sons RRC to pull my 12' trailer, with a hand-written numberplate in marker pen, the same size letters as a commercial one, The car is registered to a 24YO without a trailer licence. The reason? 'We couldn't read the number plate'
BO%*&^KS!
They COULD read the plate, we'd just driven past an ANPR camera, so they pulled us to see who was driving, having run a make on the car.
I've got grandfather rights, an HGV class 1, and I'm insured to drive the car.
Moral, make sure that the car and trailer are legal, and look it, you'll have no problems.
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Only time I've been pulled towing was using my sons RRC to pull my 12' trailer, with a hand-written numberplate in marker pen, the same size letters as a commercial one, The car is registered to a 24YO without a trailer licence. The reason? 'We couldn't read the number plate' BO%*&^KS! They COULD read the plate, we'd just driven past an ANPR camera, so they pulled us to see who was driving, having run a make on the car. I've got grandfather rights, an HGV class 1, and I'm insured to drive the car. Moral, make sure that the car and trailer are legal, and look it, you'll have no problems. Well there you go! I have grandfather rights too and always use my own cars for towing (or my neighbour's Shogun, but he's older than me, so has the same rights!) Which probably accounts for my lack of pulls whilst towing. My motor trade insurance, which would show up on an ANPR check probably helps as well. An interesting point on number plates, The number plate on the trailer doesn't HAVE to match the one on the car, as long as both plates are registered in your name, you're OK! Otherwise types like me would need 6 different trailer plates and a James Bond type quick change system! Steve |
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