Ray Singh
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More German exotica in my garage now
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Aug 16, 2013 18:47:52 GMT
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Feeling a little low at the moment. Lost my job and am waiting for a new one that is 'supposed' to start soon. I had to sell up al my toys to fund a house purchase a year ago, but ironically now have a double garage. Looking for a cheap and easy project for myself. It must be cheap and must be easy - it took me two weeks to fit the wiper mechanism on my daily oil burner - thank god for rain x..... Anyway, I was trawling the usual webistes and spotted this: linkHow much work is required to get this car looking good. Its obvious it needs new sills and money thrown at it, but any idea? £1000 - £10000? Any advice is most appreciated. The car comes with hardtop, but is based in Jersey - any issues with buying from Jersey? The last two pictures are the ones that scare me.... As for parts, I guess that MGs have a massive following, so parts should be easy to get hold of. I have some experience of MGs but at the time i just drove them and never opened the big door on the front where the engine lives.... Thanks
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fred
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Aug 16, 2013 19:20:38 GMT
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I'm guessing just with those 2 pics it will need much work underside looks knackered, so skill with the hot stick would be quite handy From the first pics mind looks you wouldnt have thought it would be that bad underside cost - piece of string, depends what else you find with the poky stick !
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GavinJ
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Aug 16, 2013 19:26:38 GMT
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Going by those pics I'd say quite a bit as well, chances are front inner wings will need work aswell and that's a wing off job to inspect properly.
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Aug 16, 2013 19:47:43 GMT
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I used to restore these every day, as I worked for years in an MG restoration business. Probably one of the easiest cars to do. Everything is available, and replacing sills, floors, etc., is very straight forward if you've had previous experience of similar work. I'm confused by the gearbox crossmember - it's not original - Is the engine and box the standard 1800 B-Series?
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adam73bgt
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Aug 16, 2013 20:46:14 GMT
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Interesting how on top its all shiny but underneath it looks like a rot fest While all the parts are easily available to restore these, that looks like its gonna take a fair bit of welding to get roadworthy. Since MGB's are pretty plentiful at reasonable prices, it would probably be worth looking for one that has a chassis in better condition because as far as I can tell, everything else on them is reasonably cheap and easy, so long as its not rotten I bought mine for a fair bit less than that (to be fair it is less desirable being a GT and a 70's rather than 60's model plus it doesn't have a 'stage 2' engine) but I've not had to do much to it, just been able to tweak little bits as I go along to make it a nicer thing to live with
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task
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Aug 16, 2013 21:10:06 GMT
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That looks like a lot of work for a car in that price range. As others have said it's likely to be rotten in many more places, something looks odd with the front bumper/wing mount and there's also rust showing up on the wing join.
As it comes with a hard top does that mean there's no hood?
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Aug 16, 2013 22:05:54 GMT
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Just read the advert........ Run a mile. Bloke spends money on pointless mechanical upgrades, but neglects/bodges the bodywork. What's the point of bolting a 180ish BHP engine to a rusty shell!? Seen it 100 times... The thing is a mess, and a shame as it's an early one. Lots, lots more out there that are much better.
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Aug 16, 2013 22:29:38 GMT
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I'd be tempted but they would have to knock off £2000 from the price to get me interested. Basically it's a restoration project and whilst all the problems are "textbook" it devalues the car significantly. I expect it to remain unsold for a long time and suspect the price will drop idc. Personally I'd say buy something standard for a fraction of the asking price and modify if you want to your own requirements. In fact for just under £3000 I'd expect a car with current MOT and although not perfect capable of gaining another MOT without such serious work.
Paul H
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Ray Singh
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More German exotica in my garage now
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Thanks for making me see sense. Actually I quite like the MG BGT shape. I'm off to the classifieds section....
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grumpy
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Aug 17, 2013 10:13:53 GMT
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Kind of looks like a lot of mk1 escorts i see for sale . Ok paint job etc , some rust but pointless paying the asking price when you know that all that will change when you start digging and more and more rust appears. I think theres better cheaper ones to be had - its not as if there is a shortage of them .
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Aug 17, 2013 13:00:07 GMT
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£3000? It's worth £1000 in that state + you've got to fetch it from Jersey and get it registered here...Lots more fish in the sea
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bortaf
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Aug 17, 2013 13:54:18 GMT
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£1000 it's a wire wheeled chrome bumper and has a hard top, that's a grand in parts just there ? As for a resto Put it this way I did a mild resto on one of them and it cost a grand in parts and that was without any welding whatsoever AND all the easy to get parts are cr@p chinease toot, nowt will fit quite right, not even the propper parts fit quite right so rubbish copys will need 2/3 times as long to fettle.
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Last Edit: Aug 17, 2013 13:55:29 GMT by bortaf
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Aug 17, 2013 18:13:17 GMT
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There's also something odd about the rear wheels. Looks like a wider steel wheel axle in there.
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Aug 17, 2013 19:31:10 GMT
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In response to your question about buying from Jersey, I don't think there is any requirement for MOT in Jersey, which may explain in part the stark contrast between visible body and underside.
I have to say after doing a mild restoration on a GT this year I was pleasantly surprised how easy these cars are to work on and I thoroughly recommend one as a classic daily driver.
Rob
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Aug 17, 2013 20:31:10 GMT
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I've got a couple of sets of wires (not chromed) + axles if anybody wants to make an offer?
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ChasR
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Aug 18, 2013 23:04:43 GMT
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I would go with the above. Going from those shots it seems it needs at least: - Castle sections x2 (you can add inner sill membrane into that list which may well require the outer sill to be removed ; even more ££££)
- Floorpan repairs on both sides (IMO the more you poke 'B floors, a new floorpan does not seem too horrific an idea)
- Chassis Leg repairs (These are relatively easy to do IMO)
- Outrigger replacement (these are quite cheap)
- Whatever else (hopefully, the inner sills are OK)
I was quoted over £1k to do complete sils on a 'B using Heritage panels (which now are not far off £200 a side for full sills)(Steelcraft are OK, but the cheaper stuff seems to be made of horrific steel IME despite lashings of etch primer etc.). Even on my old white 'B with the outer sills done on the cheap (they still needed painting) and a castle section/outrigger change with good floors it cost around £600 (parts and labour (I bought the car with the outer sills done with a receipt (£300 painted in primer), but the castle section was rotten when I bought it (I was charged around £150 for labour, and I sourced a Heritage castle section and Ashley Hinton outrigger/jacking points)). A Stage 2 engine though is very tempting, and is not a cheap thing to do in a 'B IMO (even secondhand the heads in Stage 2 form sell for good money). Does a 924 not tickle your fancy or are you after a change from 944s? If you do fancy a solid working 'B I would look at Matt's grey 'GT. A great handling car with the big jobs done. Whilst it may need a slight amount of love cosmetically, it is a much more viable project, and it's good to go from the off .
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Last Edit: Aug 18, 2013 23:08:48 GMT by ChasR
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Amazosan
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If you have a choice, I'd walk away from it unless you love weld fests.
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