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Jul 10, 2013 10:18:35 GMT
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Hey might sound stupid but ill ask anyway, is it possibly for me to put a 2.3l cylinder head onto a 1.3l block or would the holes not line up ect, only reason is id like to go down the bike carb route but the inlte manifold on a 1.3 head wouldent be that direct for four carbs, as its only 2 holes ontop, where as 2.3 the inlet is four holes on one side? Any help?!?!? Thanks
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Jul 10, 2013 10:47:32 GMT
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I may be missing something here, but the 1.3 is a straight OHV four-cylinder while the 2.3 is a 45-degree OHC slant-four? I can't imagine they'd switch over, they're very, very different engines.
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Jul 10, 2013 11:07:57 GMT
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I don't know, thats kinda why i asked, like would it matter if it was strait on top in my mind it wouldent affect it particularly whats the point of a slanted engine anyways? If you were to have 2 the same cc and spec but one slanted does it make any difference?
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Jul 10, 2013 11:53:19 GMT
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Per Wiki - The engine features four inline cylinders inclined at an angle of approximately 45 degrees (hence the name), and this is because Vauxhall had originally planned to develop a whole family of engines all built on the same production line. There was to be slant four and V8 versions in both petrol and diesel versions, designed under the guidance of Vauxhall's then chief engineer, John Alden. Although several diesel 4-cylinder and a V8 petrol engine prototypes were built only the 4-cylinder petrol made it to series production.
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adam73bgt
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Jul 10, 2013 12:00:03 GMT
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whats the point of a slanted engine anyways? I believe the main idea of a slanted engine over a vertical straight engine is that the engine will be shorter overall. This gives an advantage in keeping the centre of gravity down but is most likely done to be able to fit a bigger engine under a limited amount of under bonnet space. As for putting the 2.3 head on a 1.3, it doesnt sound very likely to me, if one is overhead cam and the other overhead valve then I wouldnt even bother trying. Plus I'd imagine the two engines would have different cylinder bore sizes so the combustion chamber probably wouldn't match up. That said, I have seen a Ford zetec DOHC head put on top of a BL B series OHV engine, so anything is possible with enough time and effort...
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Jul 10, 2013 12:03:39 GMT
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Absolutely no chance at all, too much is different. It would be less work to swap the whole engine, gearbox, front subframe and rear axle, and then fit the bike carbs.
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Jul 10, 2013 12:06:27 GMT
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I don't know, thats kinda why I asked, like would it matter if it was strait on top in my mind it wouldent affect it particularly whats the point of a slanted engine anyways? If you were to have 2 the same cc and spec but one slanted does it make any difference? I think the point was more the OHV vs. OHC. Basically there are two 'families' of engine in the Viva range - the OHV 1159/1256 engine, and the OHC 'slant four' 1599/1795/1975/2279 engine. And even within the slant four range, there is work to do for example to fit a 2.3 head on a 2.0 engine because the waterways (or oilways, I forget) don't line up.
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Jul 10, 2013 12:16:12 GMT
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Ahh cool thanks, well yea thats what i was thinking with the bore sizes being different theres a greater possibility of blowing the head gasket, but if it were a copper gasket sealed properly it would tecnically be a slightly larger litre but i doubt alot, but shouldent blow it?! the heads i have found on ebay don't look like they should have over head cams, but ill have another look. The other thing is whether all this would acctually increase the performance by much or just end up costing teice as much in fuel ahha
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Jul 10, 2013 12:18:23 GMT
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Ahh i see ignore my last post then haha cheers guys:)
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Jul 10, 2013 15:57:10 GMT
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because the waterways (or oilways, I forget) don't line up. The waterways. And the dowels. As I found to my cost...
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Jul 10, 2013 17:20:09 GMT
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Surely you would make a new inlet manifold anyway to run the bike carbs or am i really missing something here?
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RobinJI
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Jul 10, 2013 17:44:43 GMT
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Ahh cool thanks, well yea thats what I was thinking with the bore sizes being different theres a greater possibility of blowing the head gasket, but if it were a copper gasket sealed properly it would tecnically be a slightly larger litre but I doubt alot, but shouldent blow it?! the heads I have found on ebay don't look like they should have over head cams, but ill have another look. The other thing is whether all this would acctually increase the performance by much or just end up costing teice as much in fuel ahha Sounds like you've got your answer, but just incase you're interested, increasing the size of the combustion chamber won't increase the engines capacity. The capacity's measured by the volume that the piston sweaps through, so is the cylinder bore area, multiplied by the stroke, regardless of the chamber volume. A larger chamber volume would actually decrease the compression ratio, which would hurt performance and economy quite noticeably. As for slanted engines, as well as the height advantage, (good for center of gravity, and low bonnet heights.) it can also make designing the cooling and oil systems more straightforward, as you know where air will rise to and where oil will drain. It can also help with manifold lengths. Most engines have to settle for much shorter inlet manifolds than would be ideal because of space, but leaning the engine right over to one side of the engine bay can allow for longer inlets. So basically it helps in a few ways if you're designing a car/engine, but there's no real advantage to leaning over a currently vertical engine (bar space).
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Jul 11, 2013 10:06:29 GMT
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Ah right ok, i wont bother with that then ha, but i have leart some new things:) so thankyou all:)
One more thing though, probly another rediculous question and most likely wont work but, as an idea i have had, ive been thinking if i can save the money and get a scrap honda s2000 thats had a blow to the side or something, i was thinking, with alot of work i could use the engine, gearbox, drive shaft rear axle and brakes and fit it into the viva, there definatly enough space in the engine bay for it but a bit ouf cutting and reinforcing the gearbox tunnel, i think it might work... Any thoughts?
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Jul 11, 2013 10:46:47 GMT
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Plenty of different things have been transplanted into a Viva shell, I have a vague idea that I've heard of an S2000 transplant but can't remember any more than that. I've heard of transplants with Mazda rotary engines, Chevy LS2 V8s, various Ford and Vauxhall engines, Rover, Suzuki. I thought there was an issue with modifying bulkhead and transmission tunnels now? I'm not really into modifying so I can't be sure.
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