dan91
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Jan 17, 2013 18:34:19 GMT
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Right, basically I'm looking at getting either an S13 or another E36 325 Next.
Upsides to the E36 are obvious, M50 is bombproof and overall good cars.
However i love S13's, and i do want one. However i do 1-2K Miles a month and from what ive heard the CA18 Engines have aids/are made of chocolate?
Looking for more information really, it seems to be so mixed, some people swear they're as reliable as any other J car, some people say they have aids, most of these opinions come from people who haven't owned/daily driven one.
Are they as bad as people say? Or are they fine to daily?
I'm more than capable of fixing basic things etc but i have to get to work every day and cant be without a car.
Cheers.
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Copey
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Jan 17, 2013 19:12:47 GMT
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec 1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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dan91
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Jan 17, 2013 19:26:19 GMT
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Jan 17, 2013 19:31:57 GMT
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If its been looked after and mods are kept sensible they can be alright. If you start going silly then expect them to go pop same as anything else really. Of the people I know that have run s13's for any length of time I think the average was about 3 engines per car over the span of about a year but these were relatively tuned engines.
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Jan 17, 2013 19:35:44 GMT
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I run an S13 as a daily for a year and was possibly my favourite ever car.. I didnt have any problems with it other than blowing it up but I was running a stock car with waaaaay to much boost and raced it everywhere and it blew up at 150mph.. Id love another!
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Current retro - 1996 Alfa Romeo GTV / Daily - 2016 Nissan Qashqai Previous retros - Prelude, Integra, XR2s, XR3s, Orions, CRXs, Sylvia S12, S13, Pulsar, ZX 16v, 205 Gti, MX5, MR2 etc
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stealthstylz
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Jan 17, 2013 19:43:09 GMT
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Handling isn't great for doing anything other than sideways. It's not bad but they've always left me a bit underwhelmed if you're trying to go fast.
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dan91
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Jan 17, 2013 19:56:55 GMT
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Handling isn't great for doing anything other than sideways. Suits me fine
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Jan 17, 2013 20:19:12 GMT
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I've contemplated trying out a s13 myself, but personally i'd cough up the few extra bucks to get a sr20det converted one, just for a peace of mind. Although i'm sure the ca18det can't be as bad as they're made out to be if treated properly, but where's the fun in that? ;D An sr20 will also open up a lot more horsepower potential.
e36's are great cars for the money, and the m50 is a great engine, and much cheaper to replace if something goes wrong. The old "bmws are ridiculously expensive to tune" isn't that true anymore either, a budget turbo or supercharger setup won't be THAT bad, and will result in a very capable car. m5 engines aren't that expensive anymore either ;D
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Last Edit: Jan 17, 2013 20:20:11 GMT by dude
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Jan 17, 2013 20:24:48 GMT
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Regardless how many people say CA's can be reliable, treat them with extreme care. If one makes an odd noise walk away unless you're willing to do an engine swap/proper rebuild and can afford it. I've got a few friends who rate them really highly but all of them have experienced bottom end woes. Worth paying more for an SR powered one.
And IMO the handling on the standard wheels and suspension is garbage, coilovers make them handle well but I'm yet to be a passenger or driver in an S13 on coilovers that's a nice ride.
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Jan 17, 2013 20:25:04 GMT
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My better half, Zoe, had one a few years back.
She had it for about a year and used to rag it everywhere - due to it spitting flames on overrun!
The only issues we had in that time were the rear subframe bushes turning to dust, but that was it. It was pretty standard, but it was by no means pampered.
She'd have another one tomorrow, if it wasn't for the daft mileage she does these days for work.
Joe
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Jan 17, 2013 20:55:47 GMT
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I had an s13 with the ca18de here in Australia. I didn't daily it, it was a weekend car, but did plenty of decent size trips in it and used it for hillclimbs. It was more or less stock (exhaust and air filter the only engine mods) and it was soundly beaten every time I drove it. I never had any problems with mine, main thing is to keep the oil fresh and don't punish them when cold. If you are leaving the engine relatively stock I doubt you will have any issues as long as it is well maintained. Also if you cut the airbox out on the N/A models they sound like you are running webers. Brilliant!
As for the handling, I found that fitting a set of uprated swaybars to an otherwise standard car made an enormous amount of difference. Definitely make sure that you have an LSD, the s13 seems to be more adversely affected by having an open diff compared to other cars I've driven.
All that being said, I sold mine to get an ae86, ha ha
Oh and also, you can fit a bmx bike in the back seat if you drop the front wheel off (and think laterally), a friend of mine used to put down the back seats and sleep in his (legs thru into the boot) and my corgi loves them
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Last Edit: Jan 17, 2013 21:00:34 GMT by courseout
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Jan 18, 2013 10:27:30 GMT
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I've had two s13's and I used both as daily drivers without any problems. In standard form there very civilised to drive and reasonable on fuel but can be fun when you want. Only real problems I had involved the dreaded rust and rubbish tyres that didnt really like the combination of water and boost.
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Jan 18, 2013 16:19:49 GMT
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A friend of mine had an S13 for a good few months it looked awful and abused (kinda like an orphan that had been attacked by a halfords shop window) but aside from the horrid body kit it flew and and sounded great, that said it was killed by a lady in corsa c who was clearly blind and deaf as when she pulled out of the junction she didn't see or hear it. if it wasn't for that he would still have it.
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randywanger_
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Jan 18, 2013 16:21:38 GMT
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Get a 180SX with an SR20, they sound curse word but not too bad. I had one about 7 years ago and used it as a daily driver before 'upgrading' to a Silvia K's
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Jan 18, 2013 17:23:32 GMT
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Re-reading this thread makes me want to add, judging by your choice in car you are intending to skid it? The way I look at it is.......
The Japanese use S13's to skid as they are super cheap and disposable in Japan (the same goes for Chasers, AE86's and loads of other stuff), they don't use BMW's as they are more expensive to buy/fix and rarer. In Europe IMO it doesn't make a huge load of sense to skid an S13 you pay a premium for the car, a premium for parts for what boils down to wanting to emulate the Japanese. Don't get me wrong thats not a bad thing, but you'll get a good 325/328 for the same money as a pretty poor S13. Plus both look hella tasty drop low on the right wheels ;D
However having said that buy what you want, if you really, really want an S13 you'll never be truly happy with an E36. Contradiction 101 - Check out my Sierra build thread LOL, I've spent loads of money on bits to make a Sierra skid like a mediocre E36 or S13, but that's what I want and NO ONE CAN STOP ME hahahahhahahahahh!!!!111!!11!!!!!!one
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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rob0r
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Jan 19, 2013 10:39:16 GMT
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E36 328i is a no brainer in this situation. Any body style you like, an easy 210bhp, coilovers are £170, 5 series wheels for instant cheap dish, a ridiculous amount of cheap cars and spares. Buy one that has never overheated, look after the cooling system and you're laughing.
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E30 320i 3.5 - E23 730 - E3 3.0si - E21 316 M42 - E32 750i ETC
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ChasR
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CA18s only seem to cause issues with people who rag them quite hard if I am honest. With a bit of care taken they seem to last well from the few people I have seen with them. A hard to read oil dipstick with them does not help matters.
However, if I were to buy one I would look into whether the engine has been cared for (regular servicing seems almost essential on one) in addition possibly bargaining for the replacement of suspension bits. As standard they are a little soft, and 20 years does them no favours (subframe bushes seem to dissolve if they are the original items from the factory and the dampers become near useless. Even a general lowering spring and damper kit with half decent Poly Bushes seems to transform them.
That is before you even hit the rust issues. I was never a fan of the S13 although I do like the drive of a sorted car I must admit.
But when an E36 can deliver the same things for less cash, with easily available power upgrades to boot? I know what I would be tempted with. From what I have seen recently, S13s are not as cheap as they used to be, with it seeming that there are mostly wrecks available at the lower end of the market (I.E below £1k).
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Last Edit: Jan 20, 2013 0:23:56 GMT by ChasR
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I Cant see why you wouldnt be able to drive it every day like any other mid 90's car? In standard form they are just regular cars.. And plenty of people drive them tuned every day. My cousin being one...
Id also say.
The people who slag off certain engines. Are just going to be the guys who have a different engine... Or as a self convincing statement for them fitting another.. Its the same as people slating g40's when they have a Gt in the Vw scene. Saying g40s are fragile and expensive to run...
These old nissans were just made to be driven , every day... To work.... and look sorta cool doing it... They arnt built racers with stupidly fragile engines needing a rebuild after every commute
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Last Edit: Jan 20, 2013 9:54:39 GMT by Deleted
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