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May 13, 2012 13:55:27 GMT
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hello folks,
I'm looking for a list of deisel cars that can run on veg oil, so far ive found out that tdi models are out but straight deisels and turbo deisels are ok but not sure what models are best/worst.
mainly looking at german machinery but would be great to know what else can be run on the chip fat ;D
age, preformance and economy info would be good aswell as any issues/problems anyone has had.
thanks in advance for the help
vwmorty
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VIP
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May 13, 2012 14:15:46 GMT
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hello folks, I'm looking for a list of deisel cars that can run on veg oil, so far ive found out that tdi models are out but straight deisels and turbo deisels are ok but not sure what models are best/worst. mainly looking at german machinery but would be great to know what else can be run on the chip fat ;D age, preformance and economy info would be good aswell as any issues/problems anyone has had. thanks in advance for the help vwmorty Tdi and turbo diesel are the same thing. Common rail diesels don't like veg, neither do Lucas pumps. There's a pretty exhaustive amount of different vehicles that can run veg, so you're not going to get that all here. You'll be best off using the resources at www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/index.php |
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Last Edit: May 13, 2012 14:18:40 GMT by VIP
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May 13, 2012 14:28:34 GMT
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The older and more primitive the engine, the more likely.
My experiences are rather limited as I've only been using it for about the last 5 days. Its in an old London Taxi, with a 2.7 litre Nissan diesel engine.
It runs fine. Takes a few cranks to fire up, but its done 400,000+ miles probably.
No one has mentioned the smell, no one has mentioned the smoke. The issue you'll have is finding cheap new oil, or processing old oil. I pay £1 a litre as i cant be bothered trawling takeaways etc.
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May 13, 2012 15:01:58 GMT
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cheers guys for the info so far, bookmarked the website and will have a good read later.
no issue finding veg oil as I'm an ex chef and have plenty of friends still in the trade
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May 13, 2012 20:22:36 GMT
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Diesel Bob has a list of veg-happy pumps (and veg unhappy) on his site.
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Koos
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May 13, 2012 21:17:45 GMT
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The attitude at the moment around were I live anyway is if you are dipped and ANYTHING other than pump white gas oil is found your vehicle is automatically GV9'd and taken away.
It is then up to you to prove what you are running your car on is legal. ( you still pay the recovery fee and storage )
So as a result many people are running on red and taking the risk.
I DO NOT condone this for one second all I am saying is that the grass is certainly not always greener....
Unless you own a fifties tractor that is,
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legal to use veg , last time i heard, but i don't bother as it really isnt a lot cheaper than derv and its such a faff and i don't like the wastage of all the bottles.
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jasonj
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It is legal to use up to 2500 litres a year. Hard to prove that but unless its a taxi you'd be hard pushed to use that in a year. I've used veg in my transit and 306 DT for a year a now and never paid more than £1 a litre.
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Team Supercharged Opel Ascona 400.
294bhp - 235 lb/ft
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legal to use veg , last time I heard, but I don't bother as it really isnt a lot cheaper than derv and its such a faff and I don't like the wastage of all the bottles. Very reason I have stopped using it, not a lot cheaper and there all those waste bottles. I used to get used to get bio diesel but I have stopped using that as well as I have to travel so far to get it What I do keep hearing is of people using straight filtered used veg oil but I am yet to try this, wish I had the space to make my own bio. On another forum people have been putting a small amount (200ml per tank) of 2 stroke oil in with the diesel as this lubricates the pump,makes it quieter and some claim better mpg and performance. As it lubricates the pump unlike modern diesel dose it extends it's life I have now added 2 stroke oil to my car the last 2 tank full and it it dose seem a little quieter and smoother |
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As has been said above veg oil is legal if you use less than 2500litres a year, after that its still legal to use but you have to register and then keep detailed records so you can pay the duty on it.
2500litres is around 550gallons which in my old transit van that did 27mpg gave 14850 miles a year
If you ever get stopped and dipped they will always assume you are running pure rather than a mix of derv/oil
So as i was doing no where near that mileage (as proved by the MOT mileages) i allways ran it. Pure in summer and a mix of derv when it got colder as i didn't use the van daily.
I'm currently running a 50/50 mix in my escort van but am planning to change it for something that runs pure oil again soon.
Bought 2x 20litres drums of oil from Costco (trade warehouse) last week for 92p/litre compared to £1.44/litre for derv around here
So even at a 50/50 mix i'm saving almost £13 a tank and when i get back to 100 pure in my next ride it'll be over £25 a tank.
So i'll be getting 3 tank fulls of Oil for the price of 2 tanks of diesel
With the way diesel prices are going i can see a lot more people buying older diesels to run veg oil in ;D
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May 14, 2012 14:49:38 GMT
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I hear that heating oil works and is only 60p-ish a litre.. Can anyone confirm?
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Koos
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May 14, 2012 15:30:25 GMT
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Heating oil is also illegal to use as the duty is lower on heating oil, l used to run xantia on 20% veg but these days unless you can find a cheap supply it's just not worth it as you sometimes find that with it being thicker the pumps can leak as l found on our lucida  , old german merc's use it as all the german taxi drivers used veg oil. A friend of mine used it in his 2003 mondeo no problem 20-30%. |
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May 14, 2012 17:08:48 GMT
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If you're an exempt producer of biodiesel (under 2500L) I seem to recall that you should be keeping records of the amount and milage whenever you fill up - would give HMRC some confidence that you're not cheating.
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MrSpeedy
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www.vintagediesels.co.uk
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May 14, 2012 17:40:56 GMT
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Heating oil/burning oil (Basicaly Kerosene) looks the same as DERV but smells very different. The last load I had was around 56p/ltr for 500ltrs. (For actual heating use btw)
If you want to use it, you'll need a bulk tank to order it, and you'll need to convince the supplier that it's for domestic heating.
Also, it has NO additives/lubricants, so that matter would need to be addressed also.
Other than that, it's virtually identical to diesel.
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May 14, 2012 17:43:47 GMT
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I ran a P reg VW Vento on it, I also used it in a peugot 405, both ok.
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May 14, 2012 18:27:16 GMT
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Ihave a nissan patrol 3,3 TD and drive almost 5 year on veg oil without problems :-)
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May 14, 2012 18:45:58 GMT
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i'm running an ldv cub on straight new oil,£19 for 20 ltrs at the local Bookers.starts and runs fine on it,and smooths out the frankly dinosaur of an engine!!
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bortaf
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May 14, 2012 20:55:53 GMT
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I run my P100 on 50% diesel/40% new cooking oil and 10% petrol (stuff drained from missfills in diesels so not all petrol) and a 50 to1 mix of 2 stroke, it certianly runs better and is more powerfull/smoother/quieter  Tesco have oil @£1 a Ltr at the mo, trrade centres tend to be cheaper  Only really aplicable to older diesels though and sometimes my (lucas) pump leaks so i have to run it on straight diesel for a while till the seals swell back up and reseal lol. |
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May 14, 2012 21:47:05 GMT
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Take a look through the posts and you'll see the older and simpler the engine the more happy it is to run veg oil P100's a nice and slightly less mainstream one by the way Bortaf When I was working for a company developing a diesel engine that run kerosene we found the most reliable injection to be the Bosch IDI system with an in-line pump as fitted to a lot of Mercedes. I believe this basic injection system is the same when fitted to a lot of cars, trucks buses and tractors so it was always designed to be super tough. Next after that was the Bosch rotary system (As fitted to some Peugeot, Citroens, etc). We never had any success with a Lucas pump. Part of the reason I bought my W124 250D (Bosch in-line, no turbo) was just in case my circumstances change and I need to start using veg oil but currently with a 5 mile commute it's not worth the faff and chip shop smell so I haven't done it so far, but if I do I'll start by using 20% - 30% free used oil mixed into Diesel to make the saving. I do believe the veg oil can rot certain types of seals and cause leaks on some cars and over very long periods of time can cause a varnish build up on injector tips but as I said, the simple engines seem to love it! Hope that's helpful. Rob |
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hello folks, I'm looking for a list of deisel cars that can run on veg oil, so far ive found out that tdi models are out but straight deisels and turbo deisels are ok but not sure what models are best/worst. mainly looking at german machinery but would be great to know what else can be run on the chip fat ;D age, preformance and economy info would be good aswell as any issues/problems anyone has had. thanks in advance for the help vwmorty Tdi and turbo diesel are the same thing. Common rail diesels don't like veg, neither do Lucas pumps. There's a pretty exhaustive amount of different vehicles that can run veg, so you're not going to get that all here. You'll be best off using the resources at www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/index.php Tdi and turbo diesel are not the always the same thing. tdi stands for turbo direct injection. And you can run some tdi's on veg, as long as there not common rail. astra mk3's and cavs with the 1.7 izuzu diesels seem to handle veg the best, colonelk has had no probs with his cav and has been running veg for years. |
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, old german merc's use it as all the german taxi drivers used veg oil. A friend of mine used it in his 2003 mondeo no problem 20-30%.
