PHUQ
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I'd be inclined not to run on kersosene* in anything. I work for a company making diesel injectors and we test pre production stuff on kero to accelerate wear. It works, too. Incidentally the occasional splash of kero won't do any harm and in fact will probably clean some of the deposits you'll almost certainly get from running on diesel or veg oil (yes, pump diesel causes deposits/ varnishing too, just the injectors should be designed to cope with it!).
It's not always "old stuff is OK" on veg, one example is the old Land Rover 2.25d (NA) won't like it (lucas pump...) but the Defender/Discovery 200tdi is pretty good on it. There's plenty of specialist info online as to what is good on it and what is less so- see the links posted previously.
*without chucking in some additional lubrication that is, 2 smoke oil might well do the trick but I'll leave you to test that one!
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Last Edit: May 15, 2012 6:02:57 GMT by PHUQ
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Heating oil/burning oil (Basicaly Kerosene) looks the same as DERV but smells very different. The last load I had was around 56p/ltr for 500ltrs. (For actual heating use btw) If you want to use it, you'll need a bulk tank to order it, and you'll need to convince the supplier that it's for domestic heating. Also, it has NO additives/lubricants, so that matter would need to be addressed also. Other than that, it's virtually identical to diesel. Erm no its not it burns at very different rates, try dropping a match into a pool of kero and a pool of diesel, the kero goes up and the derv puts it out. Although it's not dyed red it allegedly contains other markers that can be detected by C&E if you get dipped - don't know how true this bit is though. Also 60ppl is damn cheap if you aren't buying 1000's of litres a time, we use it in TVO for the tractor and get it at 205l a time and the last lot was nearer 90ppl - and we still get a lot of questions about what it is being used for, have to sign a book and get the registration number of the vehicle used to pick it up noted down.... Most of the info about mixing veg with Kero is from the States where its not an offense - here its the same penalty as running on red.... Its also got other different properties kero is 28 sec and derv is about 35 sec
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ran a non turbo k plate hilux 2.4 on heating oil for a couple or 3 years with no problem, just chuck some oil in with each 25l barrel to provide a bit of lube for the seals etc. i used hydraulic oil as it was free from work (as well as the heating oil!) Also ran cherry with no problems.
best source of cheap fuel at the min is your local friendly truck driver. He can easily alter the mpg of his truck with a lighter right foot, and therefore spare 50 litres (or 2 drums!) out of his tank. I'm paying £40 cash in hand for that which is a bagain at todays prices!
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May 15, 2012 14:02:43 GMT
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example: i have a 1.7 dti astra MK4, Isuzu engine 2001. has 220k on the clock now, using veg oil in the cold it is hard to start and lumpy for up to 2-3 mins then its ok. Thats 99% veg oil. On a 50% mix with diesel, its much better to start. It runs quieter on veg oil than on diesel. Ive lately tried sunflower oil as its on offer at tesco - buy 2 x 5l for £10 making it £1 p L Its much thinner than the veg oil, started up this morning after 3 seconds of cranking (4 deg c) compared to 1 min of cranking on a cold engine with veg oil.
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May 15, 2012 18:03:34 GMT
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Mate of mine is a van dealer. Any time something needs fuel it's filled from his 3000 litre heating oil tanks ! He runs most of his own vehicles on it& has been doing it for the last twenty years !
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May 15, 2012 18:31:45 GMT
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Add another veggie user here. Turbo'd Daewoo Musso Auto. Bought specifically because it ran veg, loads of carrying space and cheap but with full compliment of toys.
I run whatever veg I can find plus in the winter add up to 10% petrol. I'm paying sub £19 for KTC or Consumer Pride GM Soya at Costco at the moment for 20 litres. I always keep a couple of spare cubes around because I have made a filler funnel to fit, and when Tesco have there 5 litre rape seed for £4.99 or 2 x 5 litre Sunflower for £10 and I have either a money off voucher (£6 off if you spend £40, £10 off if you spend £80 etc) or I have club card vouchers, I can usually get it down to between 92 and 95p a litre and get the club card points toward more vouchers to.
I decant the 5 litre bottles into the 20 litre cubes in the car park, then recycled the 5 litre bottles straight into the recycle skips. I can usually get 4 or 5 uses out of used 5 litre before the seals get weak on the caps, or the boxes get a little oil soaked from drips.
On a trip from Ellesmere Port to London and back which I do twice a month, I can save £35ish per trip. Makes a huge difference.
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May 15, 2012 19:59:01 GMT
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So you can use sunflower oil as well?
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May 15, 2012 21:09:14 GMT
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Anyone know if an old vw 1.6td would rum on veg oil?
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JohnK
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May 16, 2012 11:24:37 GMT
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I ran a Rover 420 SD (non intercooled) and a 420GSDi (intercooled) on veg for over 12 months with no problems whatsoever. You get used to the smell too.
My mate successfully used it on his ZX 1.9 Diesel as well.
My Mondeo 1.8 TD which I sold to above mate as a ZX replacement spat a fuel pump after a bit though. I'm sure that was a Lucas pump, which at he time (2007-2008) people were saying were no good for using with veg oil...
Although cheaper we found the MPG suffered, so when costing it, the loss of MPG vs Diesel price wasn't worth the hassle, hence when supermarkets jumped on the bandwagon and dramatically increased the costs of veg oil, we just went back to running regular Derv.
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Last Edit: May 16, 2012 11:26:13 GMT by JohnK
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8tee8
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May 16, 2012 11:25:31 GMT
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My golf 1.6td runs fine on 100% veg, as stated before cold starts are a bit lumpy but once warmed up it's fine
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jasonj
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May 16, 2012 11:34:49 GMT
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So you can use sunflower oil as well? Yep.. sunflower oil is better as its thinner. Only reason people tend not to use it is because its usually more expensive
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bortaf
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May 16, 2012 12:50:42 GMT
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I ran a Rover 420 SD (non intercooled) and a 420GSDi (intercooled) on veg for over 12 months with no problems whatsoever. You get used to the smell too. My mate successfully used it on his ZX 1.9 Diesel as well. My Mondeo 1.8 TD which I sold to above mate as a ZX replacement spat a fuel pump after a bit though. I'm sure that was a Lucas pump, which at he time (2007-2008) people were saying were no good for using with veg oil... Although cheaper we found the MPG suffered, so when costing it, the loss of MPG vs Diesel price wasn't worth the hassle, hence when supermarkets jumped on the bandwagon and dramatically increased the costs of veg oil, we just went back to running regular Derv. That's the very few posts i've read saying SVo is worse millage wise, i get more but i blend my fuel for the P100 where as all my transits and my Mk4 escort i just threw it in and allway got more MPG better running ect but worse starting, mind you i've never tried a mondeo except the engine in P100 (out of a mondeo with sierra bits).
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May 16, 2012 15:58:27 GMT
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My taxi wasnt happy starting this morning on a mostly veg oil mix...
Took around 30 seconds of cranking before it spluttered into life. I'll look at Sunflower oil if its a bit thinner. Was a bit of a shock to see ice on the cars this morning though, wasnt expecting it or I'd have added more diesel to the tank!
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May 17, 2012 11:59:32 GMT
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So correct me if I'm wrong........ (should probably be put in the 'Daft Question Amnesty' thread) If i go to the local chip shop and i buy a bucket of used veg oil, do i just throw it straight in the tank? Or does it need to be filtered or mixed with anything else? 20/80 ratio? 50/50 ratio? etc Also anybody know if this would work on a 1998 transit 2.5dsl, its the DI engine and normally aspirated (non turbo etc). Id run it off trash if i could get away with it *unable to find banana skins put into delorean pics*
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stwat
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May 17, 2012 12:31:27 GMT
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Mater of mine runs his 190d on veg oil bought from costco at around £18 for 20l so it's certainly cheaper than derv.
Waste oil needs to be filtered and have as much water removed as possible.
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p1RATE
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May 17, 2012 12:37:37 GMT
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you will need to filter the crud out of it. best to use paper filters and run it through a several of times.
i run my Merc w123 300D (non turbo) on it and it loves the stuff. its the OM617 which i think was developed in the 70's.
i also tried my w210 300TD on a 50/50 mix for a couple of tanks and it went ok. i think there were a few components that needed to be replaced/changed on that just to prevent any leakage, if i remember it was a couple of rubber bits.
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May 17, 2012 12:51:07 GMT
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So correct me if I'm wrong........ (should probably be put in the 'Daft Question Amnesty' thread) If I go to the local chip shop and I buy a bucket of used veg oil, do I just throw it straight in the tank? Or does it need to be filtered or mixed with anything else? 20/80 ratio? 50/50 ratio? etc Also anybody know if this would work on a 1998 transit 2.5dsl, its the DI engine and normally aspirated (non turbo etc). Id run it off trash if I could get away with it *unable to find banana skins put into delorean pics* You need to filter the hell out of it.... You can by filters that remove anything bigger than 10 microns. I think pump diesel is filtered to 10 or 20 microns. Also you should titulate it to remove the soaps and regulate the acidity. A splash of white spirit will thin it down to help starting.
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Koos
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May 17, 2012 13:07:28 GMT
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Did you say titulate? ;D
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jasonj
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May 17, 2012 13:14:57 GMT
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Filtering wont get the water out of it either. Letting it settle for a few weeks in a tank allows most of the water to settle at the bottom. Personally i use new oil from a wholesaler. Saves a lot of messing around. Still works out around 45p per litre cheaper than dino diesel.
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May 17, 2012 14:09:18 GMT
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What about the mixture?
50/50 with derv or different mixture or none at all?
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