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Feb 27, 2012 21:37:12 GMT
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Nope, don't like a single thing about it. The wheels look stupid in the arches, looks totally undriveable, the stretch is pointless, the colour's not really that original and the eyebrows look cheap. Just don't get the obsession with stretch and excessive lowering, at all. So you decided you needed to bring the thread back from ye olde pages by slating a car with nothing constructive to add? Have you read the forum guidelines at all? I like it But then again, i have a fetish for odd colours on cars
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Feb 27, 2012 21:45:21 GMT
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Nope, don't like a single thing about it. The wheels look stupid in the arches, looks totally undriveable, the stretch is pointless, the colour's not really that original and the eyebrows look cheap. I agree on every individual point. However, put them together and the result is awesome. Which is the point the OP was making. I tried really hard to not like it, but couldn't. Just don't get the obsession with stretch and excessive lowering, at all. I can see the attraction: it looks great, especially on the right car, as here. It's not what I'd do to my car, as I like driving down silly lanes in the middle of nowhere, but I don't slate cars with these features just because it's not to my taste.
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ChasR
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motivation
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Feb 27, 2012 23:04:39 GMT
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Pretty much the same as jrevillug's opinion. I have never been a fan of crazy stretch or a stance that needs the flattest roads to travel on at a very low speed, but somehow it works.
I guess it works on the theory that two negatives make a positive...
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Feb 28, 2012 12:41:50 GMT
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Nope, don't like a single thing about it. The wheels look stupid in the arches, looks totally undriveable, the stretch is pointless, the colour's not really that original and the eyebrows look cheap. Just don't get the obsession with stretch and excessive lowering, at all. So you decided you needed to bring the thread back from ye olde pages by slating a car with nothing constructive to add? Have you read the forum guidelines at all? I didn't resurrect the thread. God, the more I engage in anything other than buying cars or looking at the awesome progress on people's projects, the more I dislike this forum as a social-facility-with-like-minded-people. Which is a shame, because there are some truly talented people out there saving cars I love. It's like the thread about my broken leg, which was locked despite my intention to talk about the CAR aspects and keeping driving, because someone else commented about THEIR broken leg. And driving. The stuff I was writing for that is destined for publication instead, now. I appreciate there's keeping it on topic, but I fail to see the issue with not liking something that's been put up for discussion, and saying so.
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stealthstylz
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Feb 28, 2012 12:52:14 GMT
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The rules are that instead of wasting time posting that you don't like when nobody cares about your opinion use that time to post something you do like. It's not a difficult rule to understand.
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Feb 28, 2012 12:53:34 GMT
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The issue is covered by one of the board rules: retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=45829Creative criticizm - "I might change the wheels, but otherwise I like it" - is fine. Just saying that you dislike it - "I hate it and everything about it" - isn't. I know that this is quite a negative post, and I apologise, but I hope it's constructive. I'll try to find some cool stuff later to make up for it.
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Feb 28, 2012 12:54:38 GMT
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I agree on every individual point. However, put them together and the result is awesome. Which is the point the OP was making. I tried really hard to not like it, but couldn't. Yeah, see, I WANTED to like it, but can't. It's too low. There's no subtlety, and the relationship between the arch and the wheel is visually unappealing. The colour I could live with if the roof matched perfectly, and the eyebrows were gone (don't they make a morette-style four-light kit with body-colour bezels? That'd be nicer). On stretch: It's not a matter of taste, really. The OP put the car up inviting comments. I said what I don't like, just as much as people said what they do like. However, with stretching as a trend, I think it's stupid in nearly all the applications it's put to. Why is that so offensive an idea to have? I think it's impractical, potentially dangerous, and really overdone. Like moon discs, slicks, salt-flat racer chic, there is a time and a place. You cannot cal-look a Mk 3 Passat any more than you can make a convincing BTCC rep out of an old Beetle. Why does the site as a whole have to be so defensive in this regard? I mean, I totally understand discouraging slagging of site member's projects, but as a wider discussion of trends, scene behaviour, safety - why are some things so hallowed that they can't be broached? Surely part of RR has to be ensuring that in 5-10 years there are still retro rides to be had, instead of every vehicle people claim to love so much having been stripped of all originality, made dangerous, and in all chance trashed by subsequent owners and modifiers? Some great period work is done, some lovely results are achieved, but for every one of those, there's a half-baked mindless "chop the springs, band the wheels, mess up the trim and stretch the tyres" fashion statement that probably won't make it past the next MOT.
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thebaron
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Over the river, heading out of town
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Feb 28, 2012 12:55:14 GMT
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^^^^Read the MO ......
If you don't like "any" thing about a car then just ignore it and look at a different topic.
The ethos is to be upbeat....we have enough negativity in other arenas.
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stealthstylz
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Feb 28, 2012 13:00:06 GMT
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So how do you suggest people modify their cars instead. Obviously as the owner of a Citroën C3 and Chrysler Voyager your opinion on cars should be held in the utmost respect.
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Feb 28, 2012 13:08:46 GMT
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So how do you suggest people modify their cars instead. Obviously as the owner of a Citroën C3 and Chrysler Voyager your opinion on cars should be held in the utmost respect. People can modify their cars however the hell they like, and you can take that patronising attitude and put a bit of stretch on it - I've just sold my most recent collection and had to hand back the 1976 Rover I'd have been buying because I can no longer drive a manual. Go digging for lists of the cars I've owned before making such judgements. Opinions don't have to be universally positive. If you put up a marmite car, and then try to moderate out the "hate" reactions, it's just skewed. You want constructive? I'd lose the camber, raise the height, fit wheels that fit and put on tyres that fit, I think the colour could work with more subtlety in other areas, so unlike other responses, I actually think it should be toned down, and disagree that it works as a whole by being so extreme in all areas. I thought the whole rule about being upbeat was to avoid PERSONAL attacks. You think I LIKE having to have a 10 year old Voyager?
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Feb 28, 2012 14:16:37 GMT
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You cannot cal-look a Mk 3 Passat any more than you can make a convincing BTCC rep out of an old Beetle. ... this was the exact point that I realised that you lack vision and wish to bring everyone down to your little level. Some of us want to soar... don't shackle us to your narrow sight and constrained version of the world. Surely part of RR has to be ensuring that in 5-10 years there are still retro rides to be had, instead of every vehicle people claim to love so much having been stripped of all originality. Also RR is pretty much about removing originality from cars, engines, wheels, interiors,.. whatever it takes to make your car the car you want. It is precisely why we are here and not on Practical Classics, or Piston Heads, or any one of a number of forums where they would impose their view of what is and is not possible or allowed onto everyone. This car... I like the colour and the lowness,..
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Feb 28, 2012 14:41:13 GMT
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You cannot cal-look a Mk 3 Passat any more than you can make a convincing BTCC rep out of an old Beetle. ... this was the exact point that I realised that you lack vision and wish to bring everyone down to your little level. Some of us want to soar... don't shackle us to your narrow sight and constrained version of the world. I didn't say you can't try Show me a convincing BTCC rep made out of a Beetle? Though to be fair, I don't really consider "hit it with the stick" and defaulting to fitting stretched tyres and negative camber on every '80s watercooled Dub to be "vision". I don't have a level I want to bring people down to, get it? I love cars, modified or otherwise, but sometimes I don't like something or the results. Is this a self-congratulatory circlejerk, or a forum for car enthusiasts who, as you say, find Pistonheads' forums limiting, or Practical Classics' rabid reaction to cool stuff like Rotary Powered Vivas or highly modified Heralds just offensive? I think you'll find the cars I like on here with mods are the ones which have demonstrated real vision AND competence in execution, and those are people I admire greatly.
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Feb 28, 2012 14:42:05 GMT
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Opinions don't have to be universally positive. If you put up a marmite car, and then try to moderate out the "hate" reactions, it's just skewed. I thought the whole rule about being upbeat was to avoid PERSONAL attacks. You think I LIKE having to have a 10 year old Voyager? Nope.. it is about cars.. the idea being that the interesting stuff rises to the top, so say someone posts up something that not a lot of people like, it gets very few replies and falls off the board... if someone posts up something really cool that a lot of people like, it gets many replies and sits high on the board. Then there is the third case, someone posts up a marmite car that gets a bit of discussion going. That sits high on the board too as it is interesting. The problem comes when someone posts up a harsh invective of the car (like you did) because people start talking about the invective and the nature of it rather than the actual car. This artificially extends the life of the thread at the cost of another more suitable thread. What is more, you are never going to convince people about how bad a car is unless they are already pre-disposed to not like it, and if that is the case, what have you achieved? For example the wheels and tyres on this car I don't care for, but why would that be something I should tell everyone? Are the people that like those wheels going to change their mind? No... It would simply be a waste of time and an artificial extension of the thread. It is a shame that people seem to have a problem understanding this.
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Feb 28, 2012 14:48:36 GMT
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Is this a self-congratulatory circlejerk, or a forum for car enthusiasts A little from column A a little from column B ... it has been running for 8 years, there is a reason that it is run the way it is, it seems to be working so far. I'd rather get ridiculed for being a forum that is far to positive than to be any of the other car forums on the web.
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Feb 28, 2012 14:49:08 GMT
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Nope.. it is about cars.. the idea being that the interesting stuff rises to the top, so say someone posts up something that not a lot of people like, it gets very few replies and falls off the board... if someone posts up something really cool that a lot of people like, it gets many replies and sits high on the board. Hmm. So the idea is to promote the cars, but it then stifles discussion about the car itself (and discussion about negative aspects is still discussion and can still be productive). Maybe the threads could have something different to promote them and retain discussion - similar to the thumbs up/down on YouTube comments - allowing proper discussion of the car (and no, I don't like a discussion of whether I'm allowed to say I don't like it or not which artificially prolongs a thread, but as I've now had one comment on my character from you, and one from another poster, I don't see why I should just ignore that - I made one post. Look to the several following it basically saying "You can't say that!" for prolonging the thread).
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thebaron
Europe
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Feb 28, 2012 15:02:51 GMT
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^^^ As I said before please read the MO.
When somebody posts a response that is not in line with the ethos of the site (which is the reason that so many of us stay coming back) they are reminded of this and we all move on.
Don't get worked up about it. The vast majority of members hugely appreciate the effort that some members go to in searching out cars that we have not seen before. We appreciate their effort and in line with the environment keep comments to the positive or the "constructively" critical.
The fact of the matter is as follows:
You didn't read the MO You posted in a manner that doesn't fit with RR You were informed of this You got annoyed rather than take a bit of advice.
End of.
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EmDee
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Feb 28, 2012 15:40:37 GMT
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Feb 28, 2012 15:42:56 GMT
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Nicely played - I was hoping someone would find something. I found New Beetles but no old ones that I felt were convincing - but I am liking that last Beetle a lot.
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Feb 28, 2012 16:33:22 GMT
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I think you'll find the cars I like on here with mods are the ones which have demonstrated real vision AND competence in execution, and those are people I admire greatly. Then post in those threads. I always find it interesting that the people who are so often anti-forum have some caricature of what the forum is as part of their argument. I reckon I know what most of the regular posters tastes are in terms of cars and none of them hanker after this matt black, negative cambered undrivable dangerous rat look heap that is so often cited as the forum's ultimate preference. When a car like the one at the start of this thread is posted, it's not for judgement or criticism - it's for inspiration. Not to build an exact replica but to see ideas that you might like or haven't seen applied before to that type or model of car. If you're not inspired - and you don't have to be - move on to something else.
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Feb 28, 2012 17:04:24 GMT
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Is this a self-congratulatory circlejerk, or a forum for car enthusiasts A little from column A a little from column B ... it has been running for 8 years, there is a reason that it is run the way it is, it seems to be working so far. I'd rather get ridiculed for being a forum that is far to positive than to be any of the other car forums on the web. ...And this is why RR is head and shoulders above the rest of them. It isn't a democracy, it is a dictatorship... But a dictatorship that has forged an atmosphere that encourages and promotes positivity, forward thinking, community spirit and only the best things for both the forum and the hobby. *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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