bazboy
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Sept 13, 2011 20:31:39 GMT
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Heloo people, As is probably the case with most of you, as a kid i wanted to be a racing driver As an adult i have realised that this dream is un realistic. But i would still like to give it a try and hopefully develop it as a long term hobby. I'm not expecting to start tomorrow, I'm thinking over the next year or two, but i want to know what motor sports are out there nd easy to get into. ive heard of the golf racing and that seems fun, but ive no idea where to start or how to get started. Ive done some track days and have looked into auto test stuff, but wanted to know of your experiences thoughts and opinions on where to start and what to do? Thanks, Dan.
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Sept 13, 2011 21:24:21 GMT
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what sort of racing do u want to do? proper track racing? or oval racing?
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Sept 13, 2011 21:25:56 GMT
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Hillclimbs and sprints. fact!
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Sept 13, 2011 23:13:32 GMT
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Obviously things are different over on this side of the pond, but it really depends on what sort of racing you want to do.
Hillclimbs and autotests (I believe similar to what we call motorkhanas?) are at the cheaper end of the spectrum. They also tend to be a bit easier on equipment and consumables. For example, a set of street tyres will do a season of hillclimbs in Australia (our course are generally under 500m long though, so bear that in mind) while you will liekly destroy that same set of tyres in 1 track day.
If it is door to door racing you are after that makes things a little more difficult. I'd say you guys have a similar licencing system over there, with different level licences depending on the class/type of racing to be done. We have some great 1 make classes here (HQ Holdens and Commodore Cup being the main ones) which are generally the cheapest, and based on readily available cars. For example, a mid level HQ can be had here for $5000 - $7500 which is peanuts in race car terms! I would assume the situation is similar in England?
Our oval racing is a littl ebit different but the classes are somewhat similar. We race on dirt exclusively, and the cars are prepared accordongly. This is a form of racing that can be as cheap as you like (we have "street stocks" which are basically 6 cylinder road cars with roll cages and the doors welded up, through to sprint cars, with 700hp mechanically injected v8's). One good thing is there tends to be more ovals about than full race circuits. (An observation from my visits to England, so I might be incorrect)
The best way to get into it would be to get onto race car classifieds and see what falls into your budget. Withotu fail it is cheaper to buy an existing, sorted car than build from scratch. Then look into the class that car fits into (it iwll usually be listed in the ad) and research how that class is going. If it is a good strong class then there is likely a forum. Get on there, talk to the guys currently competing and see what costs look like. Things like fuel and tyre wear add up rapidly. You will also find towing a race car all over the countryside gets expensive quickly as well!
Also make sure you can either do most fo your routine mechanical work yourself or have mechanically able friends who are willing to travel with you for beer - if it wasn't for the beer economy in Australia I doubt we'd have motor racing in any form!
Hope this helps, I've pit crewed on a variety of circuit and oval cars so feel free to hit me up if you have any questions.
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Sept 14, 2011 0:35:14 GMT
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autosolos are quite good. kinda like a fast autotest. hillclimbs are great fun and you only have yourself to blame if you crash. if you don't crash your not trying hard enough expect to pay for club membership, msa licence(may not be needed for some club events)
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muttley racing ftmfwmf
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Motor sports?0rangepeel
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Sept 14, 2011 6:43:15 GMT
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If you can get to Oulton Park on Saturday 22nd October, you can take a look at the MSV Trackday Trophy in action. Novice race series with several classes suiting most levels of skill and financial commitment. It's good fun, I've been to 3 of this years races supporting a mate.
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Motor sports?Robinxr4i
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Sept 14, 2011 7:01:38 GMT
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At the risk of getting shot down..... Drifting? The Open Drift Championship is designed to be pretty much as budget as you can get, registration costs £10, events cost between £60-100 depending on the venue, you can be reasonably competitive in a cheap car (plenty of guys compete in E36 325 with a few hundred pounds spent on them). www.driftworks.com/forum/other-news-events/106863-open-drift-championship.htmlAlthough in the eyes of the MSA it isn't a motorsport and I can understand why people aren't interested in it but I thought I'd put it out there
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Sept 14, 2011 11:29:18 GMT
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drag racing? cheap and easy to get started RWYB then there are a number of series and championships you can join in from there.
Much of the grass roots stuff is not MSA either so no licence costs etc.
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Sept 14, 2011 12:22:58 GMT
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another call here for hillclimbs and sprints. i'm currently building (slowly) a mk1 fiesta for this purpose.
there are a variety of classes from bog spec road cars(no cage needed) to full blown single seaters costing over £100k, you can do as you want to your car if you don't mind being in daft classes, or stick to the rules and race against similar cars. tracks are nationwide, easy to get into and cheap in comparison to circuit racing, however it does work out expensive for £ per mile.
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Motor sports?0rangepeel
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Sept 14, 2011 13:05:09 GMT
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Might be worth the OP chipping in with what it is he enjoys about Trackdays -
Sprints & Hillclimbs give you the thrill of driving your car on the limit, and trying to improve your times as well as beat times set by others, but you're alone on the road. Drag racing is a pretty direct route to the pursuit of more and more power. Wallet-emptying stuff, no two ways about it. Drifting (at the budget end) is something that practically anyone with a working RWD car can have a go at, on and off. As robin has pointed out, the commitment level to it is very low. Worth a go even if it's just to find the absolute limits of a car you've built for another purpose.
For me it would come down to whether I wanted to race alone, or not.
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burns
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Sept 14, 2011 13:20:21 GMT
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If you are at Southampton uni it could be worth looking into the motor club there. They run 12 cars which are a navigational event held on public roads. They also do auto tests/slaloms organised by other clubs.
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rob0r
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Motor sports?rob0r
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Sept 14, 2011 14:54:04 GMT
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At the risk of getting shot down..... Drifting? The Open Drift Championship is designed to be pretty much as budget as you can get, registration costs £10, events cost between £60-100 depending on the venue, you can be reasonably competitive in a cheap car (plenty of guys compete in E36 325 with a few hundred pounds spent on them). www.driftworks.com/forum/other-news-events/106863-open-drift-championship.htmlAlthough in the eyes of the MSA it isn't a motorsport and I can understand why people aren't interested in it but I thought I'd put it out there +1 I desperately want to enter the ODC next year but I think I'm going to struggle to afford attending any drift practice days in the next year.
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Sept 14, 2011 17:59:15 GMT
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Best place to start is with a budget. We cant really help without it, and once you know it all the information is out there
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sama
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Sept 14, 2011 18:31:16 GMT
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Autotesting is a great place to start, you can start at club racing level using your road car turn up at an event put the spare tyres on drive the car with in an inch of its life put the other tyres back on and drive the car home!!! As you get further on in autotesting you will want to get more competetive, thus buyin a car that is competive in autotesting for example a nova, front wheel drive reliable and can be developed with in a budget,
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bazboy
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Jetta - Its like a golf but better.....
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Wow, thanks for all the info guys, and sorry for a very late reply, work has definately had the better of me this month.
After reading all your replies and a great article in practical classics on it, i have decided to give hill climbing ago, as budget wise it seems practical, i can use one of my current cars while i build something on the side and i get to attain a racing licence.... How cool is that :-D Oh and i wont risk breaking anyone elses cars.
My rough plan is to get prepared licenced and enter some events next summer and try to keep a blog of how it all goes along the way throughout all the different steps.
Thanks again for all the help people, now work is calmed down i will try to contribute a bit more reguarly.
Dan.
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Another approach would be to see what venues there are near you, then see what classes they run. I was racing on ovals for a few years (only 15 miles to my local track , it caused BIG problems when it was closed for 2 years as the next nearest track is about 120 miles Some local folk are very into grasstrack racing, low budget for the "near standard" classes, often run in a local field so no need for fancy (expensive) circuits which keeps costs down. Also worth thinking about the trade off - race your road car and you will hold back in case you can't get it home - but a "track" car needs space to keep it and some way of moving it around. Go karts ? Fast, competitive, cheap, will fit into the boot of many cars ;)and you can hang it on the wall of the garage when you're not using it In other news, Rallycross International Grand Prix are bing held at Croft (Darlington) on weekend of November 6th ;D www.sundaysun.co.uk/sport/motorsport-racing/2011/09/18/rallycross-spectacular-is-heading-for-croft-circuit-79310-29442372/Moving pics on U-tube www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rallycross+croft&aq=4&oq=rallycross+cHope you get sorted, remember plenty of pics on your blog You should be able to find something to ket the juices flowing
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V-Force
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If you just want maximum fun per £, you really can't beat Autograss. I did it for 3 years until the end of last year and it was awesome. As long as you don't crash and try not to break things it shouldn't be too expensive, if you stay in the lower, more production based classes most parts are scrappy spec. I raced a Mini, Class 1 spec: But there's people with 300bhp RWD redtop Micras, twin Hayabusa engined Minis and Seicentos, it all depends on your budget... www.national-autograss.co.uk/
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ZXRob
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What about Road Rallying? I remember when I was at college one of my tutors used to compete in his Golf VR6. If I remember rightly he said that you only need the minimum liscence for racing (you could get it from the RAC or something) you can do it in a bare basic road car it didnt even need a cage. He was changing from using his VR6 to building up a Nova as he said that Nova's, Mini's and Metro's where the best cars to be competing in. It may be worth you checking out.
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banger racing is cheap and competitive, gets scary sometimes, we gave it up when they put tarmac down at arena essex and speeds went up a bit.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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bazboy
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Jetta - Its like a golf but better.....
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Banger racing isnt really my cup of tea. I loved going up the hill at Prescott and my grandfather used to hill climb, so thats drawing me to hill climbs aswel. I thought about road rallying but decided id rather do something on a track.
Ill have a search for local hills and tracks and see what comes up i think.
I currently live in dorset, but frequent southampton a lot, anyone know of anything local?
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