sowat
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Jul 17, 2011 12:14:23 GMT
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Currently stored after 12 years of use and abuse as my on/off daily driver, I have become attached to this pile of poo and I'm thinking about a rebuild rather than just selling on. The idea is to have a reliable retro car ideal for long trips (Britain/Europe), really good on fuel and with a bit of comfort,( a real world car  ) Parts need to be bought, so can you throw some ideas in, please Plans are to keep the exterior and interior more or less standard looking with a few custom touches. Weight saving will help with fuel consumption, but it can't be stripped out Engine/ Running gear  Presently has a tired Sierra PintoEFI/5speed, but it needs something more modern, petrol, diesel (or whatever LOL). Have thought about putting the body onto a FWD floor pan, as this might help with weight and give me the updated power. Any suggestions  |
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Jul 17, 2011 12:18:33 GMT
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How about a modern Turbo Diesel out of something like a Mk5 Fiesta? Cars can be picked up for about 500 quid now, so you could probably make your money back selling on the bits you don't need.
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Jul 17, 2011 12:37:50 GMT
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the 2 litre twin cam and 5 speed from a mk2 sierra will do much better than a pinto on power and mpg, especially if you fit an ijected one, the engine loom is easier to work with from a granada though as its seperate from the internal one, the 2.3 16v has 150bhp but the wiring is more complicated, a 2 litre will do 40mpg in a sierra, with a high geared diif in an escort it may even better that on a long run, injected ones have 130bhp stock and you can buy them for pennies compared to a pinto and 5 speed box.
the prop will have to be custom built as will engine mounts, but its no more work than tuning a pinto would be for the same power and you'll benefit from the increased MPG.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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conrad
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Jul 17, 2011 12:49:31 GMT
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Mondeo 1.8td engine with intercooler, using sierra sump, gearbox etc?
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Jul 17, 2011 16:41:15 GMT
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Mondeo 1.8td engine with intercooler, using sierra sump, gearbox etc? This is what i'd do if you want to avoid spending mega bucks on a conversion. Depends what kind of thing u're into, if economy is more important than power this is the way fwd. But then saying that a few tweek and the mondeo TD will still be a pretty good mover! |
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Last Edit: Jul 17, 2011 16:41:46 GMT by Deleted
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bortaf
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Jul 17, 2011 17:02:06 GMT
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Concidering the amount of bits you need to rob off a sierra diesel engine to make a RWD install easy you may as well start with a RWD engine IMHO, would go well with the fueling turned up and some more boost ;D Or the twink is a real nice engine in standard form, you'll wonder why you ever used a pinto after using one of these BUT they don't really have any tuining bits so if you want to play stick with the pinto, if you want more power, torque and MPG use the twink  |
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antz
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Jul 17, 2011 20:46:32 GMT
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In malta they use a Hilux TD engine quite a bit. Wind the pump up, add some Nitrous and they go drag racing with them!
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Dez
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Jul 17, 2011 21:08:31 GMT
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cant believe no ones said a zetec yet.
2L from a mondeo, bolt to your existing gearbox (assuming its the original sierra type 9 5 speed), keep the efi, enjoy 45mpg and around 150hp once youve binned the power steering and air-con and fitted a better exhaust.
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Jul 17, 2011 21:42:14 GMT
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I'd be thinking stock Zetec, 5 speed box and 3.54 rear end. Everything available off the shelf and all parts available in shops wherever you're likely to break down. Slightly cheaper option is probably the 2 litre twin cam, which is already set up for RWD and doesn't need the water rails etc moving around to dump into an Escort.
For reference my mate has a 2 litre twink and auto in his 28/29/30 Model A pickup which is as aerodynamic as a barge and it nets him 38mpg. Pretty impressive.
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Last Edit: Jul 17, 2011 21:42:54 GMT by Deleted
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Jul 17, 2011 21:55:11 GMT
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^What they both said. The moment I started reading until now the only thought in my head has been Zetec.
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Didn't granadas come with 2,5 diesels? I've been contemplating one for a budget beater derv sierra build |
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Didn't granadas come with 2,5 diesels? I've been contemplating one for a budget beater derv sierra build My dad had a few over the years as cabs, they were proper "Dieselly" not like modern car diesels, the turbo noise makes you think your permanantly hearing a police car in the distance, I don't remember him ever breaking one though even at high miles. I had almost 120mph out of one i bought off him even with 500,000 miles on it so they don't hang about, they are quite rare though, most of em died in dashboard fires, thats what finished mine and at least two of my dads ones off. |
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THE_Liam
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PSA XUD9TE engine from a 205/306/405/406, fit an 11mm Transit pump head, remove the governor and grind the lda pin and your looking at 130-140 bhp and 250 torques, stick an LDV200/Pilot box on it and it's RWD |
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Seth
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For power, surely a Zetec is a no-brainer, as the knowledge and parts are all out there to fit it in. Keep-It-Simple-Stupid. Comfort? To get closer to modern car quietness etc would probably need the addition of a fair amount of weight in the form of sound deadening and all new quality door seals/window rubbers. A good spring/shock set up would help too. Rather than the typical, stiffer all round kind of thing I bet it'd be possible to get some progressive wound front springs and perhaps use some adjustable damping struts set on a slightly softer setting. You can get single, parabolic leaf, rear springs for the back of these can't you? Again, those with some decent matched dampers would probably be the best compromise without totally rebuilding the suspension system. Just brainstorming... |
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A lot of people make the mistake of stiffening the rear of mk1's they handle better on the road with it a bit softer, especially estate cars or stripped out saloons.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Jul 18, 2011 18:56:16 GMT
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MX-5 engine, and you already have it bolted to a RWD gearbox.
I can't understand why these don't get used more often. The early ones might be a bit lacking in power for what you plan, but the current 1.8 produces about 130bhp. We have the 2.0 producing 160bhp and has a 6-speed box. Lovely engine, lovely gearbox with a short-throw lever, and it's not too harsh on fuel. Not a rocket ship, but it's eager.
Go back to the NB model for a 1.8 and it might be a bit cheaper to buy.
If I was dropping in a RWD conversion, that's where I'd start.
Darryl
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conrad
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Jul 21, 2011 22:05:34 GMT
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Didn't granadas come with 2,5 diesels? I've been contemplating one for a budget beater derv sierra build My dad had a few over the years as cabs, they were proper "Dieselly" not like modern car diesels, the turbo noise makes you think your permanantly hearing a police car in the distance, I don't remember him ever breaking one though even at high miles. I had almost 120mph out of one I bought off him even with 500,000 miles on it so they don't hang about, they are quite rare though, most of em died in dashboard fires, thats what finished mine and at least two of my dads ones off. I would really love to at least get the running gear from one for my twin cam one that i've had for years. It's on reasonable shape and i'm ver attacted to it but the engine's knackered from having murdered several clutches and diffs from too much sideways. Even if you could find one though i'd say the 2.5td would be too big for an escort. Granada/sierra 2.0 twincam (despite the fact that i ruined the one in the car mentioned above) is nto a bad old engien and should be good for a reasonable bit of pace and fairly good but not diesel beating mpg in something light like an escort. Yes, no real tunign parts BUT quite a few have bene turbo'd in scandinavia and even in the UK turbo technics turbo kits do turn up. I'm sure piper cams used to do cams for them as well, you could always get some re-profiled and run a carb version on bike carbs but then you're into lots of money so not very real world oriented |
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Presently has a tired Sierra PintoEFI/5speed, but it needs something more modern, petrol, diesel (or whatever LOL). 
