Mike
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May 25, 2006 11:43:02 GMT
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Ok, at some point in the future (it may be a while yet), as part of my overall "plan" for my Golf, I want to swap the engine for something a bit meatier (not a rump steak...). I'd like to know what the posibilities are, and how difficult certain swaps are, because ideally i'd like to have a go at this myself, and seeing as i've never done anything even near this magnetude, what would I be letting myself in for? I'd be looking for a useable and reliable 150bhp (ish). Your suggestions/knowledge please! Oh, and heres a Golf picture.
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May 25, 2006 11:54:42 GMT
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Well tuned 2.0 16V on bike carbs
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Mike
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May 25, 2006 11:56:28 GMT
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Would a larger VW engine be relatively easy to fit? I'm guessing different engine mounts, but what else?
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May 25, 2006 11:58:48 GMT
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curse word, your's is a C isn't it, so a 1300. Subrames, gearbox and all that would prob be required too then. Scrap that idea. G40 power For The Win I know where there's a G ladder charger going for the £200 mark (it's a goodun!)
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filmidget
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May 25, 2006 11:59:52 GMT
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A well tuned 1800 16v should see 150bhp, a 2.0 160+...
Biggest question is carb or injection I would think.
Loads of info on fitting a 'big block' into a 'small block' chassis on ClubGTI and Mk1 Golf Owners Club sites.
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May 25, 2006 12:01:52 GMT
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It's harder to put a GTi motor in a "short" engine car (1.1,1.3) than a "tall" car (1.5,1.6,1.8) but they do go in...
A nice 2.0 16v is a cracking beastie...
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May 25, 2006 12:03:33 GMT
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1.8T would be my choice, more work to fit, but plenty of beefsteak.
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filmidget
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May 25, 2006 12:05:44 GMT
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Oh hell, why not a nice R32 motor...
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Mike
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May 25, 2006 12:06:51 GMT
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curse word, your's is a C isn't it, so a 1300. Subrames, gearbox and all that would prob be required too then. Scrap that idea. G40 power For The Win I know where there's a G ladder charger going for the £200 mark (it's a goodun!) Yeah, its a 1300, so G40 would be good, but i'm assuming its not just a case of strapping on the G-lader and whizzing off. What internal mods would be needed?
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May 25, 2006 14:23:49 GMT
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if you're going to the trouble of fitting a 1600+ engine, then just go the whole hog and fit a 20VT or something.... you're going to have to mod the chassis rails, subframes etc anyway.
G40 is a good plan, but keep up with the game and go straight for the Eaton charger, which a lot of the G40 boys are strapping on. Start out with a G40 engine as they are pretty well reinforced from a stock 1272cc motor, but you basically ditch the G-lader and bolt the new charger in it's place. I've heard reports of 160-170bhp straight out of the box
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filmidget
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May 25, 2006 15:02:13 GMT
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I thought the big block conversion only required one mount to be moved along the chassis leg?
However, the Eaton converted G40 sounds a much better idea ;D
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Stu
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May 25, 2006 20:09:35 GMT
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I thought the big block conversion only required one mount to be moved along the chassis leg? Correct, the Mk1 doesn't have a front subframe like the later cars and the engine and gearbox mount directly to the chassis legs. To fit a big block VW engine (1.5L upwards) you need to move one mount as above and re-weld it onto the chassis leg, loads of info on this on the ClubGTI site if you have a search. As for what engine to fit, in a non-GTI I would fit something you can run on carbs easily to save messing with fuel injection. I prefer 16v's personally. A standard 1.8 16v flies in a lightweight Mk1 but a 2.0 16v like I've fitted in my Mk2 would be even better. ;D
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RetroMat
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May 25, 2006 20:17:09 GMT
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what about a modern Turbo Diesel? most seem to have 150bhp as standard .
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Last Edit: May 25, 2006 20:17:29 GMT by RetroMat
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May 25, 2006 20:46:03 GMT
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now you're talking. Has that been done yet? It must have been.
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Dub76
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May 25, 2006 23:02:01 GMT
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I know someone who put an isuzzu 1.7td in a mk1 and said it flew. don't think I'd like a performance diesel though suppose it also depends on price. My mate at present has nearly finished his 1.8 20v t conversion on his mk1 cab and will have cost him less than £2000 by the time hes done.(engine cost £1000) think if i had the choice again i would still go for 20v reliability and tuning potential cant be beat.
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is your plan to use VAG parts or is the prospect of using other manufactures engines a possibility
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Bioshock
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16v vauxhall 2.0 Litre turbo,from a calibre. I know this might seem strange,but i've seen it done in a MK1 golf that was pushing out 345hp- everyone assumed it was a vag lump (20vturbo) but the entire engine + tuning set him back £2000! big bangs for relatively small bucks ;D standard its 204 hp cost you about £400 complete from a scrappys
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Almera GTI = ugly bird who turns out to be great in the sack = Win
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I'm a big fan of the zetec myself. I have done alot of zetec conversions in escorts and fiesta and most went on carbs. Last 1 i did kicked out 196bhp standard bottom end, i ported and polished the head and it had different cams but cant remember exactly what ones, they were 40's. On a rs turbo gearbox you will get an lsd and with its cradle mounting set up, it would be a case of drilling 4 holes to mount the box (depending on the depth of your engine bay). Make an engine mount up mount the gear selecter and your away! Only problem would be the shafts but a company like shaft tec could cobble something up I'm sure. Plus the 2.0 zetec is now a very common site in scrapyards laying lifeless in an old mondeo.
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May 26, 2006 10:22:33 GMT
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Liking the Zetec idea - personally I prefer to see engines match the manufacturer of the chassis, but often when the conversion is well considered - especially when cost is taken into account it is a good idea to look across at what other marques have to offer. Also liking the TD idea - theres a MK1 Caddy running a TDi engine that runs 13s down the 1/4 mile & still returns good MPG. Can vouch for the G40 conversion being quick - a mate had a Jabba Sport tuned engine in his Mk1 - that felt vicous with only around the 150-160 bhp mark due to the low down pull & torque provided by the charger, plus I love the 'WUB WUB' sound you get from the G ladder Problem with any fuel injected conversion however would be the integration of the wiring - ECU etc & the requirement to upgrade the fuel lines, fuel tank/pump.
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