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;D Sat last night thinking long and hard about things. The saga continues, but I'd had a plan.... That Oak Green MKII Golf GTi I have is a ratty looking thing, so I was going to get the whole thing blown over in Oak Green again and sell it on. I've now decided I'm gonna do it Sand Matt Beige and brown, and alternate between the golf and the van, OR I'll do it matt black witg gloss black Iron Crosses. I'll be using my classic beetle on sunny days and days out, leaving it in storage the rest of the time. That way I figure I get to cause maximum offense without being outside of the law. Should give the curtain twitchers something to look at, keep me smiling too. So what do you people thing of my cunning plan
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Good idea, it might attract unwanted attention from chavs etc but go for it.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Good idea, it might attract unwanted attention from chavs etc but go for it. Nah, all the chavs round here drive pretty expensive machines, so they've very little interest in old VW's
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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I meant the street scum but go for it anyway it sounds like fun.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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IMO I always feel a little dubious about iron crosses on German cars, but if you pinstripe something into the design so it looks a little bit less like a BNP staff car I reckon you could pull it off. I'll scribble something out on a bit of paper when I see you later to show you what I mean. Or do the alternate colourway off the van would look cool.
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Last Edit: May 25, 2006 9:40:53 GMT by akku
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IMO I always feel a little dubious about iron crosses on German cars, but if you pinstripe something into the design so it looks a little bit less like a BNP staff car I reckon you could pull it off. I'll scribble something out on a bit of paper when I see you later to show you what I mean. Or do the alternate colourway off the van would look cool. Doubt it'll look too BNP like with me driving (I'm mixed race, and it sorta shows!), besides the Iron Crosses are a hot rod thing more than a racist symbol, if I can view it that way, I'm sure I could make a few more people open minded . I like the idea of a reversed version of the van, but golf shaped. Maybe I should combine the two, brown Iron crosses over sand beige!
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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May 25, 2006 10:07:16 GMT
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The iron crosses used by both Hells Angels and the early hot rodders were a direct lift of Nazi insignia, and done to deliberately upset the sensibilities of suburban America back in the 40s and 50s. Some of the early guys used to wear nazi regalia and luftwaffe flying jackets as well.
During the 60s and 70s people tryed to soften it out by calling them Maltese crosses.
I know what you're saying about it being taken out of its original context now, but I guess I'd be more worried about someone not getting it and having a go at the car thinking it was in the original sense.
My 2p is that you can pull it off easy enough on a '32 ford or whatever, but on a VW seems a little touchy to me.
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I've got my drive back :)BenzBoy
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May 25, 2006 10:13:02 GMT
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I know what you mean - I'm fond of Iron crosses and the like, but would hate for it to be mis-interpreted as some sort of racist symbol. I like to offend people with my car (dirty, satin black, loud, smelly...), but not like that! I suppose it's not my fault if people get the wrong end of the stick, but being branded a Nazi is something I could do without! ;D
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May 25, 2006 10:14:17 GMT
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The iron crosses used by both Hells Angels and the early hot rodders were a direct lift of Nazi insignia, and done to deliberately upset the sensibilities of suburban America back in the 40s and 50s. Some of the early guys used to wear nazi regalia and luftwaffe flying jackets as well. During the 60s and 70s people tryed to soften it out by calling them Maltese crosses. I know what you're saying about it being taken out of its original context now, but I guess I'd be more worried about someone not getting it and having a go at the car thinking it was in the original sense. My 2p is that you can pull it off easy enough on a '32 ford or whatever, but on a VW seems a little touchy to me. I see your logic in that fella, will take heed. I could go Nato green and White stars ;D The joys of knowing an RAF painter ;D
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May 25, 2006 10:39:50 GMT
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theres plenty of other motifs you could use. When I resprayed the ol' Prefect black I was going to put something on the doors and there were a few I looked at. Wind in a bit of pinstriping and most of them will look sweet. Sadly I'mnot confiedent enough in my stripinng to do anything much, everytime I think I've got something which looks good I then see soemthing by Melissa Gee or someone and I just want to pluck my own eyes out for thinking I was any good! More practice...
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filmidget
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May 25, 2006 12:04:30 GMT
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Maltese cross was around long before the Nazi's (as was swastika?)
I don't think even non-car people still associate the maltese cross with Nazis anymore do they?
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May 25, 2006 12:21:00 GMT
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I believe the Maltese cross is different to the Iron Cross. Something to do with the shape, but I'm not that up on it TBH.
I bet if you walked through town wearing a swastika arm band you'd get funny looks at best and a good kicking more likely.
Funnily enough I recently got chatted to by a lass in a bar with a large swaztika tattoo, didn't like to ask what that was about and legged it at first opportunity.
Dunno about where you live but round here theres still a lot of activity from some of those oldschool neo-nazi type outfits. National Front and now theres "Campaign for an English England" or somesuch, flyered around my old house about 2 years ago with some hate speak junk about sending people back where they came from. I'd like to send those evil ****ers back where they came from on a one way ticket thats for sure.
Guess if you live somewhere a little more peaceable then people might not think so much of it. Like I said its the conjunction of a german car with german symbols might be a bit much.
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May 25, 2006 12:26:14 GMT
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The iron cross is a military symbol; nothing more.
My right forearm should shortly be covered in a 'hidden swastikas' design; beautiful.
I think it's an aesthetically pleasing design with acute historical significance and I refuse to allow a short period of the early 20thC to ruin that.
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I've got my drive back :)BenzBoy
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May 25, 2006 12:45:56 GMT
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The iron cross is a military symbol; nothing more. My right forearm should shortly be covered in a 'hidden swastikas' design; beautiful. I think it's an aesthetically pleasing design with acute historical significance and I refuse to allow a short period of the early 20thC to ruin that. *n Good on you. Just as the right wing have hijacked the St. George Cross / Union Jack I suppose. I've seen swastikas in historical designs, and yes, it is a pleasing design. I suppose making choices based around others' ignorance isn't particularly a good way to go on, but I avoided German military symbols on my Benz when I lived in Nottingham due to the moronic far-right element that seems to be there. It would be nice to see those symbols re-claimed.
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May 25, 2006 13:00:10 GMT
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It would indeed, and/or just seen as part of something that happened and we've all moved on from. As an ex-Nottinghamite you'll appreciate my nervousness with symbols...
Problem is the far right ****s are still using the symbols, its hardly "ignorance" to associate them with it when they practically have the trademark on it these days.
I have a belt studded with iron crosses which is kinda neat, I don't see a problem with it, nobody else ever questioned it. Only time the rightwingers have it out is when its on a naval flag or something they wave with the swaztika in the main and the iron corss int he corner. But the ol' cross with legs is still far too attached to the white power guys for me to want to go near it though. I'd also not want my windows put thouugh by ANL or whoever...
More importantly from my point of view I'd not want one of them to see it and think it was support for them or their twisted "cause". The more they get shown they are an unacceptable fragment of what passes for society the better in my opinion.
final edit: I'm saying what I'd do and what I think not what I think anyone else should do.
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May 25, 2006 13:03:24 GMT
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Quick straw poll in office (in Nottingham) says that people wouldn't recognise an Iron Cross (on it's own, particularly on a car) as an offensive symbol.
Swastika is back to front Buddist symbol?
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May 25, 2006 13:49:06 GMT
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i think more likely it makes people nervous... the 'iron cross' is one of those symbols that you're not quite sure of, is it a deeply political motif or is it just a shape? this thread seems to back that up, people tend to back away from such symbols without necessarily knowing why.
Personally i wouldn't put them on my car, i'm pretty positive they're not offensive (although fairly ignorant of the origins) but not everyone thinks like that and it wouldn't be long before i found my car vandalised.
there's a small minority that loves to hate things they know nothing about - i used to live in Norwich, a city where a paediatrician had his house smashed up by local vigilantes keen to protect their children from perverts... and dictionaries evidently!
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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May 26, 2006 11:53:17 GMT
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Quick straw poll in office (in Nottingham) says that people wouldn't recognise an Iron Cross (on it's own, particularly on a car) as an offensive symbol. Swastika is back to front Buddist symbol? Not quite. The direction, angle, colour et cetera have no indication of a swastika's 'intent'; only the context. It has been used by every major religion and many, many societys for thousands of years as a symbol of luck and protection. As I said earlier, it is only for a few years in the first half of the 20thC that it has meant anything else. *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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May 26, 2006 12:00:26 GMT
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i think more likely it makes people nervous... the 'iron cross' is one of those symbols that you're not quite sure of, is it a deeply political motif or is it just a shape? this thread seems to back that up, people tend to back away from such symbols without necessarily knowing why. Personally i wouldn't put them on my car, i'm pretty positive they're not offensive (although fairly ignorant of the origins) but not everyone thinks like that and it wouldn't be long before i found my car vandalised. there's a small minority that loves to hate things they know nothing about - i used to live in Norwich, a city where a paediatrician had his house smashed up by local vigilantes keen to protect their children from perverts... and dictionaries evidently! Polictically Mansfield is just downright odd anyway, its always returned Labour MP's to parliament with a huge majority yet people here hold some of the most right wing views I;ve ever heard.
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