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Jan 25, 2011 21:04:27 GMT
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and curse word... been chatting to a mate who's a vw nut - the 1.6 diesel is actually pretty damned hard to find Ah well, I'm still holding out hope that one's gonna get scrapped just before I turn up ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Jan 25, 2011 21:17:36 GMT
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try caddyforum sale section.. seen one on there recently.. it's another reason people use 1.9 AAZ motors as a lot of MK3 s are getting ropey now so good as donors.. think I paid 125 quid for engine and box for mine
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Common diesels...sowen
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Jan 25, 2011 21:27:27 GMT
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If you can find an LDV pilot or sherpa van, they often have the Peugot 1.9 diesel complete with rwd 5 speed gearbox, or Rover l-series diesel fitted, and they seem to be common scrapyard fodder where I am. You say the injector pump is in the wrong place on the l-series, an off-roader with an SJ local to me has the earlier perkins prima diesel as fitted to the old Montego's, and I remember him saying something about the injector pump being in a different place to the l-series, but essentially the same engine so maybe worth a punt?
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Jan 25, 2011 22:02:14 GMT
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I did some research on small-ish RWD diesel conversions a while back, and my eventual list (given a requirement for a ~2L, 4-pot Turbo Diesel without lots of wiring) looked something like the one below (roughly in order of preference):
- Peugeot 1.9TD or 2.1TD (both XUD series engines) from Pug 405 and 406. Mate it to the R380 gearbox and bellhousing from a 1.9D LDV Pilot (1997 onwards). LT77 could be used with the same bellhousing, but the R380 is a better box. AFAIK, the Pilot R380 could be used in a car - but it might be worth doing some research. Has the advantage of a great engine, cheap-ish parts, and scrapyard availability.
- Vauxhall/Isuzu 1.7 mated to Carlton gearbox. AFAIK should bolt straight on.
- Land-Rover 200TDi mated to LT77/R380 with Discovery bellhousing.
- Rover L-series (from a 'D' badged rover eg 220SD - avoid the 'Di', as they have electronics) or Montego TD (aka Perkins Prima) mated to an LT77/R380 (IIRC, it'll bolt together using the Sherpa O-series bellhousing/backplate - but they would probably be hard to find now).
I really would be looking at changing to a more modern 5-speed 'box along with the swap - and chosing a box that will bolt straight to the chosen engine. My reasoning behind that is that making an adaptor plate is difficult - the measurements must be absolutely spot-on so that the gearbox input shaft lines up with the crankshaft. If they aren't, you'll get all sorts of odd behaviour from the clutch, and probably wear out the gearbox bearings in double-quick time.
While propshaft making must also be to a very high standard - it should be concentric and well balanced - it is something that can be farmed out if you're not confident with your own work. I'm sure that people on here can recommend good, reasonably priced propshaft builders. You will have to make up the gearbox brackets as well as the propshaft, but that should be easy enough - just be sure to get the propshaft alignment correct.
Finally - you get a chance to change from an elderly 4-speeder with a dodgy overdrive to a more modern 5-speeder with wider availability.
James
P.s. The BMW/Omega 2.5 engine has been swapped into a Scimitar, but it does involve a lot of wiring.
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Jan 25, 2011 22:53:16 GMT
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that list, as awesome as it is, revolves around finding either a RWD LT77, which fetches silly-money (4WD versions, without a lot of money, cannot be converted) and the R380 is in the same ballpark ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Got plenty of experience with the L-series... got quite a bit of poke out of my old one ![](http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Chairchild/Rover/th_DSCN2559.jpg) And as I'm a bit of a poser (and I like to know WHEN it's smoking) exhaust may actually poke out of the front, as per my sig!
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Jan 25, 2011 23:03:45 GMT
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You missed the Isuzu 1.7 to carlton gearbox option chap Plus LDV Pilots are cheap as chips!
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Jan 25, 2011 23:10:09 GMT
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Indeed - when I was researching the Pilot setup the box and bellhousing was maybe £100-150 from a commercial breakers. Or you could break a manky one for the box, sell the engine, glass, etc., and weigh in the shell - I'd be surprised if you made a loss TBH.
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Jan 25, 2011 23:15:31 GMT
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I bought a sierra 1.8TD with type 9 to go in the Dutton. Not expecting fireworks but it should be straight forward and was cheap. LDv would be second choice. I quite fancy BMW straight 6 for the triumph but I reckon that would cost too much for me :/ Vaux isuzu lumps are good but RWD boxes are hard to find/expensive from what I have seen
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Jan 25, 2011 23:32:42 GMT
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aha - also looks like a Toyota Estima/Lucida/Previa (all the damned same car!) could be a winner too 2.2L, older ones have a mech pump, and a proper RWD gearbox ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) So no faffing with adaptors/clutches, would just need a propshaft making up.... or hopefully just a bit of spacing? (really hoping for the latter!)
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Jan 25, 2011 23:40:30 GMT
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lol, quite funny looking on fleabay at LDV's Engine: £250-£400 Whole LDV: £400+ makes me smile when people have over-inflated ideas about what their crappy bits are worth ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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aha - also looks like a Toyota Estima/Lucida/Previa (all the damned same car!) could be a winner too 2.2L, older ones have a mech pump, and a proper RWD gearbox ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) So no faffing with adaptors/clutches, would just need a propshaft making up.... or hopefully just a bit of spacing? (really hoping for the latter!) I'm fairly sure that they are all Slush-o-matics, although I could be mistook. I like your thinking! EDIT - yes, there was a 5-speed manual. However, the engines are canted over at 75 degrees so that they fit under the floor, and all of the ancilliaries are run from a long driveshaft to the front of the car - which could be a pain.
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Last Edit: Jan 26, 2011 0:18:10 GMT by jrevillug
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BMW straight six TD from Omega or 525, been done in a Scimitar before. This!
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Jan 26, 2011 11:33:30 GMT
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The VM 2.5TD can be found in Alfa 155/164, Rover 825TD and various Jeeps. That would be a nice choice.
How about the 2.5DI from a Transit?, in turbo form they have plenty power and they have the right RWD gearbox mated already together.
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Jan 26, 2011 15:24:27 GMT
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given how long the bonnet is i'd have to suggest: a perkins 6354 ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) more seriously, an Isuzu 1.7TD engine from a Cavalier (don't bother with the vauxhall diesel units) would be my choice as it's simple, pretty much bomb-proof, slightly tuneable and as mentioned above should fit onto a carlton gearbox
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Jan 26, 2011 15:32:02 GMT
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Another vote for Isuzu 1.7TD ;D As already said before, bomb-proof and still tunable(can run 120-130bhp with out breaking sweat, more with turbo change ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ) If you have plenty of room then go with the Carlton 'box but if thats just a little too big then Manta 'box is a little bit smaller Steve ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Jan 26, 2011 15:36:26 GMT
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May have already been covered, But my self, i'd be looking at Volvo 6cyl jobbies from 7 and 900's! Sound f**king awesome!
I have a Sierra with the 1.8TD in, prob be an easy fit with them already having Type 9's. 75bhp out the box, and go well enough when u push them. Not as economical as others, or as powerful. But very easy instal i recon... if u can find one
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Jan 26, 2011 16:52:48 GMT
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Iirc PPC did a series about someone fitting a TD (think he ended up with a VAG 1.9) in to a Se7en of some flavour.
If you can find it it might give you some insight into what's real. Was about 2-3 years ago...
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Jan 26, 2011 17:30:27 GMT
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Yeah they used a 1.9TDI from an Audi...remeber that..
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Jan 26, 2011 17:31:04 GMT
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