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May 17, 2006 14:45:53 GMT
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Cheers, if the other rims are affordable, i might give em a go.
The profile dilemma is sort of why i started medaling with the daily! The balloon tyres are big on the 14's and some are cheap brand too so they are massive. Tharted thinking about alternatives for a better ride and look, and the daily becomes a project too! Oops
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 17, 2006 15:06:20 GMT
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I was having this discussion with someone at lunch time,.. the Ford scene needs some more people doing some more different things I think.
The Watercooled VW scene is waaaaaaaaay ahead in terms of style, Ford dudes should catch up and then show the VW people a thing or two!
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May 17, 2006 15:11:11 GMT
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True, we sort of covered this a while back saying that the VWers were Arty and Fordies were scientific. Summat like that anyway! LOL
Its only my daily but Alternative rims FTdW Yeah. Still not worked out exactly where the 3 door is going yet but it will be different...
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 17, 2006 15:15:33 GMT
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The Watercooled VW scene is waaaaaaaaay ahead in terms of style, Ford dudes should catch up and then show the VW people a thing or two! Argh noooooooooo!
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May 17, 2006 15:16:11 GMT
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May 17, 2006 15:17:54 GMT
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True, we sort of covered this a while back saying that the VWers were Arty and Fordies were scientific. Summat like that anyway! LOL Its only my daily but Alternative rims FTdW Yeah. Still not worked out exactly where the 3 door is going yet but it will be different... Yeah Ford people only ever want to go fast and don't care about looks .... thing is the VW people go super fast as well,... and look good doing it .. stlye AND substance! Doh! Didn't realise it was your daily
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May 17, 2006 15:19:49 GMT
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Yeah, too many modified Fords are built following some sort of "formula". I'm more than guilty of this, seeing as my cars are built out of what's cheap and available rather than the bits I really want....
Time to get my Star Wars wheels out from behind my Dad's shed....everyone else hates 'em, but they get a reaction! (They're actually 15" american Escort rims, odd style...)
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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May 17, 2006 15:35:01 GMT
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Star Wars ™ rims sound cool! each scene has a typical style i suppose. Some wierd looking Fords out there, will have to get to Ford Fair this year and get some pics, see whats about. Modding is not easy, the eye seems to notice odd parts miles off, so i guess people stick to what they know. The fact that its a daily is a good one for £££'s but it should look cool. I have left it at home today with its 3 GHEY rims. LOL. and now its raining, i'm such a tart...!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 17, 2006 15:42:47 GMT
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It's not true that Ford people only want to go fast and don't care about looks, that's a very sweeping assumption that would be proved wrong by going to Ford Fair or any large Ford show. I mean some of us own XR4i's for crying out loud, both slow -and- ugly.
The Ford scene and water cooled VW scene are very different and attract very different crowds. The cars and available knowledge lend themselves to certain areas the naturally people buy them because of that.
There's nothing wrong with formula, owning a car isn't a fashion competition!
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May 17, 2006 15:44:26 GMT
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There's nothing wrong with formula, owning a car isn't a fashion competition! But modifying a car is a statement of individuality ....
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May 17, 2006 15:50:25 GMT
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There's nothing wrong with formula, owning a car isn't a fashion competition! But modifying a car is a statement of individuality .... For some yes but not everyone. You see it as an expression of indviduality but some simply want a nice looking car or want their car to peform better. If you think modifying cars is all about standing out and being different then you represent the very view of the VW scene that made me scream in the first place.
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May 17, 2006 15:57:51 GMT
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You see it as an expression of indviduality but some simply want a nice looking car or want their car to peform better. If you think modifying cars is all about standing out and being different then you represent the very view of the VW scene that made me scream in the first place. Enjoying watching this discussion unfold...... Playing Devil's advocate, as a means of transportation you don't actually need your car to look or perform better, so surely anything you do is some form of expression of individuality? Despite my views on 'fashion' I do concede that my choice of cars is trying to say something to others (though not always sure what ). Not getting at you MWF, in fact I fully sympathise with your views. Where's Penski?
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May 17, 2006 15:58:20 GMT
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Why modify a car if you don't want something no one else has? If you just like to keep our heritage alive, why not keep it stock? If you want a quicker car you can always afford a faster more modern car for the cost of purchase, modification and upkeep of an older car. You are modifying an older car to be different therefore it is an expression of individuality.
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May 17, 2006 16:10:13 GMT
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You see it as an expression of indviduality but some simply want a nice looking car or want their car to peform better. If you think modifying cars is all about standing out and being different then you represent the very view of the VW scene that made me scream in the first place. Enjoying watching this discussion unfold...... Playing Devil's advocate, as a means of transportation you don't actually need your car to look or perform better, so surely anything you do is some form of expression of individuality? Despite my views on 'fashion' I do concede that my choice of cars is trying to say something to others (though not always sure what ). Not getting at you MWF, in fact I fully sympathise with your views. Where's Penski? I am no doubt that any change is going to result in making a car indvidual however I don't believe this is always an intentional statement of individuality, that is meerly a bi-product of the original choice. I personally do need a car to perform in a certain way to maximise the emotion of driving it. And that's a personal thing that goes beyond what other people think of it. If I build a conservatory on my house does this somehow constitute an artistic statement purely because I feel it would improve my enjoyment of it?
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May 17, 2006 16:16:57 GMT
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Why modify a car if you don't want something no one else has? If you just like to keep our heritage alive, why not keep it stock? If you want a quicker car you can always afford a faster more modern car for the cost of purchase, modification and upkeep of an older car. You are modifying an older car to be different therefore it is an expression of individuality. I am modifying an older car so I get more enjoyment from it. If it turns out that it looks the same as others because we want the same things I really don't mind that. I have no ambition to stand out or make a statement, I simply wish to enjoy the car. Part of my enjoyment of owning the car is keeping a car with history in good condition and a modern car would not give me that. For me modifying the car with the soul intention to stand out or be different would take away a lot of the enjoyment.
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May 17, 2006 16:50:31 GMT
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Wow!
Its not all about individuality, my style of modding would be though. I've ended up with my Sapph at random almost it wins no individuality contests at the moment generally, as an old nearly retro once popular car, getting there though. In this instance i'm keen to make it look a bit better and perform a bit better cos i want to but don't want to invest too much time, effort, and money. if it can look different and good, Its agood bonus.
Theres some that do just want summat smart while trying not to do their own thing and be obvious, however i see HoTWires point, underneath it all, the very act deciding to change some thing is an individual one.
Hmmm where were we?!
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May 17, 2006 17:04:05 GMT
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however i see HoTWires point, underneath it all, the very act deciding to change some thing is an individual one. I see that too.
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May 17, 2006 18:32:28 GMT
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Time to get my Star Wars wheels out from behind my Dad's shed....everyone else hates 'em, but they get a reaction! (They're actually 15" american Escort rims, odd style...) I love 'em! kinda like an ultra hard edge rs7, but with an extra spoke (they're difficult to describe, OK?). as far as ford style goes, I think fordies get centimental and can't see past a mk1 escort mexico on rs4's or a mk1 lotus 'tina on minilights or that kinda thing. why I've got cibies and rs4s on me capri people need to wake up, you should see the attention slater's fiesta gets! its so refreshing to see a euro look ford, it even gets rodders staring. I have seen a saphire lightning rod (not the best example, granted) it was well low on rs4s with 185/60s and serious negative camber, a road going one would be wicked! the ideas are out there, just add balls
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May 17, 2006 19:47:53 GMT
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If I build a conservatory on my house does this somehow constitute an artistic statement purely because I feel it would improve my enjoyment of it? Yes and no,.. you are adding function to your house, by extending its usable space. However when you do it you will consider the aestetic impact you will have. By being shown the many different options available you will be able to make a more informed choice about what you want. However unless people explore those different options everyone that chooses to have a conservatory will have the same one. Yes their extended house goal will be achieved, but they may not be doing it in a way that is as aestetically pleasing to them as it could be because they've never seen the different possibilities, because no one has tried them out, everyone just followed the same tried and tested route. Having a different car is about standing out from the crowd. Having a certain level of satisfaction about the fact that no one else you see on a day to day basis has a car quite like yours in terms of looks and/or driving experience. No matter how much you justify it in terms of engineering or feel or whatever, it is about being different, being an individual. Which is no bad thing, and should never be consider a-such. Perhaps I'm just baffled by people that clearly want to be individual enough that they go out and buy a rather odd car way out of left field for 90% of the population, but then they try and conform to some perceived social standard, the aircooled VW scene is probably the worst for this, but the Ford scene is pretty close behind. I've always thought that if you are modifying a car even in the smallest ways you kind of owe it to the scene to move things forwards a bit? Or is that just me?
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May 17, 2006 20:16:42 GMT
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Don't people still want some comfort in conforming even when they've broken out of the mainstream? And in the context of what you see every day, their choice still stands out. I saw this Bug tonight, nice stance on BRM's. Nothing new or cutting edge about it, but it was enough to make me look and it sure stood out amongst the other bilge of a wet Wednesday evening. I suppose that's enough for most people. Once into a scene, don't people want to stand out by taking things that bit further?, be it by level of detailing, accessories etc etc. If my plans for the yellow 240K come to fruition (big if) then that will be fairly unusual for the UK, but probably wouldn't get a second glance in Japan and I have to admit I've been influenced by the fantastic pictures from there I've seen here on RR. Is that any different to the Ford, VW or whatever scene? I think very few, if any, people can disregard everything they've ever seen and ignore what people will think in creating something. Apologies if this is all a bit rambling, threads like this make me think a bit.
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