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The Yanks originally called it 'Truck Quarter ton' We Brits designated it 'Car five-hundred-weight' But in the end the nickname stuck ... ... JEEPA few piccies: Willys MB/Ford GPW > 1941 - '45 /WW2 Era (and produced 1955 - 1975 as French Hotchkiss for French Army, in use by them till 1998!) M38 > 1949 -'51 (Korean War era, although many MB's were used in this conflict as well) M38A1 > 1953 - 1973 (Vietnam era and other conflicts) M151/ M151A1 / M151A2 1957 - 1988 ... what a long production life (Vietnam era and many others) in use till late 90'S by US FORCES having been fully replaced by HUMVEE/HUMMER/HUMMWV /M998 range of vehicles. Although still in use by many other countries around the globe. and this version of M151 I reeeeeeeeeeeeally like ;D ...complete with 'M40' 106mm recoilless rifle **drool** Some other countries superb efforts: And my favorite Britains Champ - official designation FV1800 - truely a vehicle ahead of its time (many ideas such as the weapons mounts and wading gear have been adopted by recent range of 'XD' military Land Rover yet champ was a 50's creation by none other than the late Sir Alec Issigonis ...creator of Mini and Morris Minor to mention a few)
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May 11, 2006 10:49:56 GMT
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The ‘Jeep’, perhaps one of the most famous military vehicles in the world. Originally three manufacturers: Bantam, Willys & Ford began in 1940 to produce a suitable light 4x4 for the USA War Department. Bantam was first of the mark in September 1940. After all three manufacturers had done prototypes and development the models produced were Bantam 40BRC, Willys MA & Ford GP. Bantam also became unable to meet production demands and in late 1941 the range was standardized to Willys MB design (which was deemed best partly due to having the most suitable engine). However Willys was then found not to be able to meet the required production figures and so Ford (in 1942) produced the same model known as GPW; G=General, P=Purpose & W=Willys design. Some say word ‘Jeep’ born from letters ‘G-P’; but when Karl Provost (the designer/builder of first Bantam Jeep) was asked what the vehicle would be called he stated “This is a Jeep, named after the creature in the cartoon series Popeye”… “’Eugene the Jeep’ a creature that was nether fowl nor beast and who could go anywhere, disappear and re-appear at will.” Eugene the Jeep Most of the earlier models were shipped to Britain, Russia and the Far East during WW2; some ‘captured’ models were also used and favored by German officers! After the war many manufacturers have produced ‘Jeep’ style vehicles or even copies. A most notable and desirable copy is the ‘Hotchkiss M201’ (Perhaps copy may be the wrong word as Willys set up the Hotchkiss jeep production line). This vehicle was built (till about 1975) in France and used by the French Armed Forces until the late 90’s, and some French emergency services! ...beware all you collectors out there of purchasing what you think is a WW2 MB, it could be a Hotchkiss! Not that there is anything wrong with a M201, in fact its an improved version.
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Last Edit: May 11, 2006 10:51:37 GMT by TwincamGTi
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May 11, 2006 11:02:07 GMT
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Some say word ‘Jeep’ born from letters ‘G-P’; but when Karl Provost (the designer/builder of first Bantam Jeep) was asked what the vehicle would be called he stated “This is a Jeep, named after the creature in the cartoon series Popeye”… “’Eugene the Jeep’ a creature that was nether fowl nor beast and who could go anywhere, disappear and re-appear at will.” Eugene the Jeep First time I've heard that. Original Landcruiser and Nissan Patrol certainly very Jeep-like.
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May 11, 2006 11:17:17 GMT
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I've heard both stories about the name, but never with an attibute for the Eugene story.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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May 11, 2006 11:46:09 GMT
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What about a nice DIY 2wd kit car jeep, either a Jago or one of those ones where you buy a set of plans and make it yourself out of wood. The shonkier and more ill-proportioned/underwheeled, the better. cgi.ebay.co.uk/JEEP-STYLE-KIT-CAR_W0QQitemZ4636880990'US ARMY STYLE'!!!
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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May 11, 2006 11:51:31 GMT
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Correct!
50's Toyota Land Cruiser was an almost clone of Willys MA/1941 Jeep
and first version of Nissan Patrol was similar although every panel/chassis unit was about and inch smaller/scaled down all round (few built of first design ...if your saw one you would say it was a US Army Jeep until parked next to a 'real' yank one and see that it is lower/narrower/smaller)!
Also Mitsubishi in 1953 produced Willys CJ3B/M606 underlicense for Willys (and Later Kaiser Jeep corp, then later still AMC/AMG/Chrysler division) until 1998 (yes '98) for Japanese Army (or 'Japanese Ground Self-Defence Force' to be correct in offical title)
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May 11, 2006 11:53:26 GMT
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Hey mister B thats great but what exactly is bibreglass? ;D Oh well for around 200 notes that would be a laugh round the fields were I live
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May 11, 2006 16:54:51 GMT
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Goin off track a bit but isn't there rumour of some crazy E.U law banning ex military vehicles from public roads?
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May 11, 2006 17:03:50 GMT
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must show this thread to local ats bloke who has one of those jeeps lol
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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May 11, 2006 17:39:36 GMT
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What about a nice DIY 2wd kit car jeep, either a Jago or one of those ones where you buy a set of plans and make it yourself out of wood. The shonkier and more ill-proportioned/underwheeled, the better. cgi.ebay.co.uk/JEEP-STYLE-KIT-CAR_W0QQitemZ4636880990'US ARMY STYLE'!!! The Mk1 Cortina rear lights are probably more valuable then the rest of it! What about the shocking Mahindra 'Brave' they sold in the UK in the mid 90s - that looked very early Jeepish. There was an interesting mix-up/confusion of Indian and American Indian in the marketing, perhaps they thought it could compete with the Cherokee!
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In France it is illegal to own your own ex-army 'tracked' or 'Half-tracked' vehicle. ...but being France there are ways around it
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Nothing 'shocking' if only they hadn't 'tarted' them up with silly chrome accessories, wheels and bull bars. In 'standard' utillity trim they are fine as they are under license built 1950's Willys CJ3B's. Mahindra of India was set up by Willys in 1947 and in 1954 onwards they produced the CJ3B called the CJ340 and also produced for there own forces as well as exported to Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Iran. In 1979 they obtained rights off Peugeot to produce the XPD 4.90 diesel engine (although I believe some even have a perkins engine) for fittment. The Indian 'CJ3B' is yet another 'Classic' they produce in much the same way as the Hindustan Ambassador/Morris Oxford and the Bullet/Enfield Bullet motorcycle. Also (as this thread has a military theme) Indian ordance of Bombay produce a lot of ex-British Army small arms for there own army to this day such as the Sterling L2A3 Sub-machine Gun, the SLR L1A1 Rifle and GPMG General Purpose Machine Gun.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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SkoCan
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^ At that price the MUTT151A2 would have to be 'mint'/perfect
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SkoCan
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May 16, 2006 12:09:43 GMT
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I suppose so... But since it's a 1999 TITAN LSV M151-A, and doe's appear to be just about mint...........
Nah, me either
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May 16, 2006 12:54:18 GMT
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^ Now i'm confused here, 1999? The 151 range of vehicle ceased production in 1988 with a few more body tubs made in the early 90'S by AMG (AMERICAN MOTORS GENERAL). Now I know some european countries also used the MUTT (Greece and Turkey as tWo examples), so is the MUTT/151/151A2 range of military vehicle made underlicense elsewhere?
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May 16, 2006 14:48:15 GMT
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Our Chairman has a WW2 Willys stored in a container here at work. Infact there used to be a workshop set aside at the back of the factory unit where old military vehicles were restored, unfortunately it was a sideline that was only fuelled by the chairman's interest and didn't make any profit and so was ended & the workshop opened up for expansion of the main factory. I reckon driving along in an old Jeep would be great fun - but I do find it a slightly disturbing when people seem to get too involved with the whole dressing up & pretending to still be at war thing
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May 17, 2006 12:57:29 GMT
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^ Totally agree! When at a vehicle show and you are parked with military vehicles I think it is pathetic that certain people feel the need to dress up (people I have to say I do not think would last 5mins in a real army!) I like collecting the correct 'gear' to go with the vehicle (e.g radio unit and some weapons -deactivated of course) but feel this is as far as it should go ...park up and display and leave it at that.
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filmidget
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May 17, 2006 17:40:08 GMT
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I got to drive one (think it was a WW2... marked up that way, and old chap has had it decades) What surprised me was: 1) Lack of room between seat and steering whel (though I am a fat curse word) 2) The posistions of the gears in the gate (much to others amusement) I'd have one though. And dress up like a 5-star general
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'79 MG Midget 1500 - Still patiently awaiting attention '02 Vauxhall Astra 1.8 Elegance(!) - Better than you might think '03 Mazda MX5 - All new and shiny looking (thanks to Antony at Rust Republic) '09 Renault Clio - Needs to go.
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