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There is currently no option to pay tax on your Historic vehicle so see no reason why that would change. The direction of the EU appears to be to allow Historic Vehicles limited access to the road so I can't see why they would even consider it.
Yes, if implemented it would mean the return of the rolling Tax exempton, with more than likely restrictions to 1500KM use per year which they manage to police adequately in other countries . That appears to mean that, putting this latest piece of proposed change together with existing EU legislation ,if this all goes through, that like it or not when you vehicle becomes 30 years old you will automatically transfer to 'Free' Road tax and receive restrictions on use.
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,if this all goes through, that like it or not when you vehicle becomes 30 years old you will automatically transfer to 'Free' Road tax and receive restrictions on use. Unless it's modified not using period modifications,then you continue as normal?......Correct?
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What interests me is that France seems to be going against the EU grain, just for a change Up until a few years ago historic vehicles were limited in their use - you could not take it outside your own or directly adjoining department without filling in a form before the journey, however, this has been abolished in the last couple of years and use of historic cars is now unlimited.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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,if this all goes through, that like it or not when you vehicle becomes 30 years old you will automatically transfer to 'Free' Road tax and receive restrictions on use. Unless it's modified not using period modifications,then you continue as normal?......Correct? Per normal ?If it continued as per now you'd be governed by the DVLA 8 points system and stepping outside would mean BIVA that would create a new 2010 (currently) car .
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Unless it's modified not using period modifications,then you continue as normal?......Correct? Per normal ?If it continued as per now you'd be governed by the DVLA 8 points system and stepping outside would mean BIVA that would create a new 2010 (currently) car . But if it does conform to the 8 point system,but is not historically modified with period mods, i.e. has a modern engine in it,what then? It'll continues as per now?
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interesting, I wonder how some modifications that are common but not period would fit in like... 1) electronic ignition 2) not being able to use asbestos brake linings as they are no longer made 3) fitting multi speed windscreen wipers instead of single speed ones 4) fitting a cd/mp3 player etc etc 5) using radial tyres instead of crossplys or arnt they classed as modifications for the purpose of classification So... My 1978 mini clubman becomes historic. Great, hopefully free tax. What happens when they notice it's got a supercharger from the 1980s and brand new Fuel Injection and an ECU...
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TBH I'm seeing another job creation scheme for lawyers, obviously hard hit by the recession and down to their last crate of champers. As has been discussed before on here several times, implementing a policy of this nature and policing it would be so problematic that I think it's fairly safe to say that if a Historic Vehicle review is implemented, it will be severely watered down to include only the points that can be easily determined. Expect something along Fred's comment that the government will choose the easy (and cheap) rules to apply and ignore the rest. They are certainly not going to bring it in very quickly if it means having to honour the 30 year rolling 'free tax' exemption to what will be viewed as a substantial number of potential 'tax dodgers'. There are still a lot of cars (and owners) around that would benefit from such a change in the law.
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Last Edit: Dec 20, 2010 9:21:24 GMT by arrocuda
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Per normal ?If it continued as per now you'd be governed by the DVLA 8 points system and stepping outside would mean BIVA that would create a new 2010 (currently) car . But if it does conform to the 8 point system,but is not historically modified with period mods, I.e. has a modern engine in it,what then? It'll continues as per now? Based on the info, and it being within the 8 points system ,we have it would automatically transfer to Historic Status
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But if it does conform to the 8 point system,but is not historically modified with period mods, I.e. has a modern engine in it,what then? It'll continues as per now? Based on the info, and it being within the 8 points system ,we have it would automatically transfer to Historic Status So the unintended result of this seems like to be an incentive to modify your car within the 8 point threshold to exempt it from Historic status? I use my E21 almost as a daily, yet may have to modify it to keep doing the mileage in it I do? And in the process ruin the originality of the car. Great.
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If FIVAs definition becomes the standard and vehicle s over 30 yeras old automatically become Historic you can keep it standard but be prepared for limited milage restrictions . Modifying outside the points system would be required to create a new vehicle to go for BIVA to remove it from Historic status.
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So according to this, if you change the wheels as well as the engine & box you lose historic status?
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Sorry if this sounds really dumb, I'm not sure I'm really understanding this fully....but what about all the thousands of 'Historic' cars that are already modified? Are we suddenly facing a nationwide BIVA epedemic?? I understand that if the car is 'standard' it goes straight to Historic status, if the car is modified beyond 8 points it's BIVA (as we all know anyway) but I haven't seen a conclusive answer to what happens to the non-standard cars that are 30+ years old and are modified within the 8 points system? Sorry if this has been answered but I am probably being really thick and have missed it (and I'm not too good with all the gobbldygook in the documentation so might have missed it there!) Thanks Kev
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Dec 20, 2010 10:00:30 GMT
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If FIVAs definition becomes the standard and vehicle s over 30 yeras old automatically become Historic you can keep it standard but be prepared for limited milage restrictions . Modifying outside the points system would be required to create a new vehicle to go for BIVA to remove it from Historic status. So modfying within the 8 point sytstem would effective class it as a 'normal' car from the point of view of road tax? Also, how are they going to police this? We currently have a Government which is stripping out bureaucracy to cut costs, Mr cameron doesn't strike me as implementing a mileage policing system that will take money and resources to set up and monitor?
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stealthstylz
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Dec 20, 2010 10:03:20 GMT
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Sounds simple but expensive to get round.
Matt
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Dec 20, 2010 10:13:23 GMT
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sound to me like all you have to do is fit something modern that was not available back when your car was built to get away from historic status, i dunno, maybe electronic ignition? or an injection setup? or a stainless exhaust? what about a bluetooth phone kit? or modern speakers? etc etc.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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crazymonkey
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Dec 20, 2010 10:14:00 GMT
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So whats the deal with the limited mileage restrictions. Is that going to be enforced, Just that I know someone who has 2 really old Austin sevens but he uses them several times a week if not daily some weeks.
And does it mean that if the car is in the historic category then mods will be allowed from the same period e.g. say you had a mk1 escort and put mexico wheels on it would that still be classed as historic or not? I'm confused by this. The 30 year rolling tax thing I understand but there seems to me like there's too many complications with it.
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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Dec 20, 2010 10:16:33 GMT
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It'll be quite simple, you'll have to book all your journesy in advance and some bod will be using google maps to work out your milage, when you run out of allowance, no more use, if you get hit on a number plate camera when your not booked for use you'll be fined (or whatever)
don't think they cant police this, it could be done with almost no human intervention at all if you had to book your journeys online.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Dec 20, 2010 10:22:20 GMT
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According to the FIVA regs period mods are fine. Current DVLA regs don't go into minutia of fuel injection or electronic ignitions so doubtful there would be any change there.
As for the rest of the questionsI'm afraid that's all they are at the moment, no definitive answer as obviously they haven't passed the FIVA spcs into EU law YET but it is obvious that's where it's going.
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Dec 20, 2010 11:41:43 GMT
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According to the FIVA regs period mods are fine. Current DVLA regs don't go into minutia of fuel injection or electronic ignitions so doubtful there would be any change there. As for the rest of the questionsI'm afraid that's all they are at the moment, no definitive answer as obviously they haven't passed the FIVA spcs into EU law YET but it is obvious that's where it's going. Can't we do anything? I think the speedo on my Austin 7 is going to remain broken for the time being. Just till I see what way the mileage is calculated. Mind you, if I did 300 miles a year in it, I'd be doing well!
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Dec 20, 2010 11:48:58 GMT
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Well what if we go over this 1500 miles a year, do we lose our free tax (not bothered about that), or do we all go to one of HMP
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
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