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Dec 18, 2010 11:35:07 GMT
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My experience is on much larger vehicles... definitly worth it. You need to know cost of conversion, mileage, etc. And work out your sums from there.
I've seen converted cars. With np petrol tank. I don't get how that works.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Dec 18, 2010 11:45:10 GMT
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I had a Granada lpg 2.0 twin cam once it was the cheapest car to run fuel wise I have ever owned!!
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Dec 18, 2010 11:53:24 GMT
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In the past I've had LPG cars and a big saving on fuel costs but that was a while ago. Mine ran on LPG from cold. Now average price has risen so much that when you take into account cost of the vehicle conversion it will take several years, or high annual mileage, before it even works out cheaper (overall) than petrol ! Only you can do the sums for your motoring but personally I now have a diesel (Skoda Fabia 1.4) and am enjoying 55 mpg in traffic with air con on and low 70's on careful long distance run Paul H
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Dec 18, 2010 12:18:07 GMT
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my rekord was already prept for lpg (the tank was already fitted, and the vehicle papers already included lpg. But since i bought it with an destroyed engine i ended up redoing basically everything. the original engine was a carb engine, en this fairly easy to run on petrol and lpg. the engine i got was a injection engine, and i bought it cheap, but without any electrics, ecu of anything. It now runs only on LPG, even in this cold cold freezing weather no staring problems, i do need to start it a little longer then when it was summer, moet within 5 seconds it runs perfect. I don't run it on LPG injection, and I'm not sure how this would work with your audi, but usualy when you convert a injection engine to lpg you get a system with it so you can set it to transfer from pertrol to lpg when it hits 3000 rpm, and then run on lpg for the hole ride.
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Dec 18, 2010 12:24:14 GMT
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Some of the better LPG kits can start on gas, My ragey had an Italin kit on it, you could either select what you wanted, or have it on auto so it started on petrol and switched to gas when the engine was warm, or just start it on gas, it never had any issues with just running on gas, but then it had a 2 ECU's and quite a few senors, one for each cylinder bank, the basic ones are just mechanical and they are the ones that need pertol still as well.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Dec 18, 2010 12:28:35 GMT
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Def worth it m8
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Dec 18, 2010 12:34:29 GMT
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I run/ have run loads of vehicles on gas, everything that was single point would start and run on gas from cold, my van is factrory fit gas injection and starts on petrol then switches to gas - at the moment its going about 40metres before it swaps to gas from cold about -5c this morning. I have a few tanks available if you are interested.
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bortaf
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Dec 18, 2010 13:45:33 GMT
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They will run from cold on gas but not as well (on older systems at least) cos the systems uses the heat from the engines cooling system to warm the liquid into a gas (the L in LPG stands for liquid) on cold mornings you may find it simply wont run as the ambiant temp isn't enough to boil the liquid into a gas, in the same way some gas heaters wont work on butane below certain temps for the same reason, not boiling off into a gas.
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Dec 18, 2010 17:06:23 GMT
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I yearn for an e39 540 on ppt but am currently waiting for my license back so I think it'll be a while yet!
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"Mechanical Power Subduing Animal Speed" (Robert Trevithick, 1808)
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MK2VR6
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Dec 20, 2010 16:05:07 GMT
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Well I have received a quote for fitment from a local LPG fitting company. Here's the quote: "AC Multipoint SGI System £1100 inc VAT with 60L spare tyre well tank." Is that about right? The car is a 1.8 turbo injection and apparently it's the best matched setup to the car. I run/ have run loads of vehicles on gas, everything that was single point would start and run on gas from cold, my van is factrory fit gas injection and starts on petrol then switches to gas - at the moment its going about 40metres before it swaps to gas from cold about -5c this morning. I have a few tanks available if you are interested. Cheers for the offer of selling me a tank. However, I wouldn't have a bleedin' clue how to set it all up, and what else to buy! Main question is, do I get it done?! Oh, and have a hot picture
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Last Edit: Dec 20, 2010 16:11:09 GMT by MK2VR6
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Dec 20, 2010 16:27:28 GMT
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I run an LPG and have just done a HG on it. Its not been used loads on lpg but a couple of valves were heavily warn. The chap I had the head skimmed by said he'd never run an LPG and told me how his cabby mate had one but killed the engine in 60k. I only do a few miles so don't care. If I was doing large miles i'd probably follow his advice and get a diesel. Think you can get some kind of additive also.
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10mpg
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LPG or not bother?10mpg
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Dec 20, 2010 16:38:00 GMT
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I fit lpg systems, have done more than a couple now, obviously run one myself as a daily..
if you do the miles then do it, properly done to an engine capable of running it there's no disadvantage, I'm sorry to sound argumentative but anyone who disagrees with this is talking manure..
Most installs are complete sh1te, I do mean COMPLETE sh1te badly chosen badly fitted and badly setup, 99.9% of problems are down to the installers..
Bigas, Romano, OMVL, Tartarini and Zavoli are all names you can trust
Almost all systems are Italian, they do it best, think long and hard before using one of the cheaper ones (usually eastern European) though some of the polish ones are supposed to be pretty good getting spares and support is a minefield. On that sort of car you really should go sequential multipoint.
Single point systems are pretty hateful really, you'll loose plenty of power and about a third of your economy, which is ok if it's a huge yank V8 or your a real old woman behind the wheel, but if you drive hard or have a smaller engine you'll really notice it..
With smaller injectors 2mm or so you can set a cut in temp of around 45 degrees which isn't that hot really, larger injectors like 2.5 or 3mm need to be set at 60 degrees which whilst hotter isn't all that, I run my 4.6 Rangie at 65 degrees switch over and it's always on gas after a mile even in these temps, during the summer it's more like half a mile..
Most engines can be converted, even some unsuitable engines can be run with no problems if you use Flashlube but some imho should never be converted all Ford Zetecs for example.
I'd be wary of a quote that cheap, not to say it'll be bad, just do your research, most installers are completely useless, find personal recommendations from people who have done big miles problem free on a certain installers work, also is that a price for a 4 hole tank or a single?
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Last Edit: Dec 20, 2010 17:33:21 GMT by 10mpg
The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Dec 20, 2010 16:38:30 GMT
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LPG of the kind we get in this country is mostly Propane which evaporates at -44 degrees C so will always start even on the coldest winter morning. The vapouriser is water warmed so it is taking heat out of the cooling system until the heat from your engine gets the upper hand. In theory the vapouriser could freeze up and cut the gas supply of if the heat from the engine doesn't get warm quick enough to prevent this from happening. Also the LPG does not have any valve lubricants in it. This is why LPG installation companies always set the car to start on petrol. LPG doesn't need a 'cold' start device to put more fuel in at first like petrol fuelled cars do but a lot of energy is lost to the cylinder walls to heat up the big lump of metal you have under the bonnet..... so performance is lacking till the engine gets up to a reasonable running temperature.
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'71 Arrocuda.... '71 Sunbeam Rapier Turbo (The Grim Rapier).... '63 Hymek D7076..... Audi GT5S
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Dec 20, 2010 17:09:26 GMT
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Well, that's an inspired and educated response for you... Care to expand on your enlightning post?
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Dec 20, 2010 17:50:20 GMT
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Also check where your nearest lpg stations are. Mine was 4 miles in the wrong direction, which was a pain in the ! Also I wouldnt use an installer - do it yourself. It isnt difficult, and is a lot cheaper. wthttp://www.wtv-uk.co.uk/ can sell you kits at reasonable prices.
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Koos
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Dec 20, 2010 18:30:04 GMT
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wthttp://www.wtv-uk.co.uk/ can sell you kits at reasonable prices. See the above quote about curse word polish gear - also applies to Voltran from Turkey!
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Dec 20, 2010 19:09:30 GMT
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Tinly Tech always seem to get a good report. As do Stag systems which seem to be available cheaply off eBay.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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RobinJI
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Dec 20, 2010 19:18:24 GMT
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.....but some imho should never be converted all Ford Zetecs for example...... Just out of curiosity, what is it about zetecs that make LPG a bad idea on them?
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Dec 20, 2010 19:20:40 GMT
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Apparently some Hondas and Alfas are unsuitable. Valve seat errosion, pinking issues, all manner of things, according to the folks on www.lpgforum.co.uk
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Last Edit: Dec 20, 2010 19:22:05 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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