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had forgotten till i saw it today, how is the mini one (bmw) thats advertiseing red bull driveing round s yorks qualify as road leagal , as its had the roof shortened & cab rear with window fitted , the tailgate welded/filled & steel/plastic load cover fitted & a giant can of red bull bolted to roof/cover?
& in my eyes is now a pickup, will try get the reg.
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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theres quite a few of those pick up redbull mini things knocking about i wondered about them....?
going back to the VW pick up i posted earlier... if i built a replica of that today I'm guessing it wouldnt be "legal" as in that the floorpan has been cut and it clearly has a pick up bed regardless of fenders, lights, build quality etc I'm not building a replica i was just wondering...
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Looks like they`ve based them on convertibles, nothing done structurally, so its fine. They`ve even incorpirated high level brake lights into the cans. Technically they should be paying higher road tax as they must put out more CO2 thanks to the extra drag... but then.. they have wings.. ![](http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1126/527007242_d4dcac556d_b.jpg) ![](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3442/3367998597_f9ca4fde01_b.jpg)
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Last Edit: Dec 14, 2010 1:50:16 GMT by a73uk
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I can think of several options with the MINIs , that they were converted professionally BEFORE registration, that they have got through as 2 seater coupes or similar, or that they have been converted after reg and DVLA not notified ( as well being convertible based as mentioned before ) You would be amazed how many small 'coachbuilders ' have no idea that their products should be tested .
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theres quite a few of those pick up redbull mini things knocking about I wondered about them....? going back to the VW pick up I posted earlier... if I built a replica of that today I'm guessing it wouldnt be "legal" as in that the floorpan has been cut and it clearly has a pick up bed regardless of fenders, lights, build quality etc I'm not building a replica I was just wondering... The floorpan is the chassis on a Beetle, any cutting means BIVA test. However it could be turned into apick up (WITHOUT chassis mods) and still be legal, same as any chassied vehicle, it is monococques that create the problem. The other problem is making sure that the DVLA inspector actually knows the rules correctly as they have been loads of chassied pick up conversions incorrectly sent for BIVA .
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ok, so say you built a replica of that pick up roadster but didnt modify the floorpans what would be the next step in keeping it all legal you wouldnt have to go for BIVA but would need to get it re registard as its 2 seater not 4 and pick up roadster? it would surely cause probs with the insurance too? you would be constantly telling them its not a caddy or a T25. i only ask cos that little beastie looks like a whole lot of cheap fun.... ;D this is definatly getting the brain cogs turning ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Dec 14, 2010 10:00:59 GMT
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The next step is notify DVLA of the change to 2 seats and pick up. They look at it and, once happy you haven't modified the floorpan and the running gear is standard , amend the logbook accordingly ..sorted.
Remember though that the beam extender may be an issue, some LOs are accepting them and some aren't as I mentioned earlier in the thread.
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Dec 14, 2010 10:29:15 GMT
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the minis are all based on convertibles with bolt in kits that go were the convertible roof would normally sit can be converted back in about a day but all of them are classed and registered as advertising props so all done legit
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Dec 14, 2010 10:32:37 GMT
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had forgotten till I saw it today, how is the mini one (bmw) thats advertiseing red bull driveing round s yorks qualify as road leagal , as its had the roof shortened & cab rear with window fitted , the tailgate welded/filled & steel/plastic load cover fitted & a giant can of red bull bolted to roof/cover? & in my eyes is now a pickup, will try get the reg. There's 2 of them in Sheffield, think it's 2 of our students ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Last Edit: Dec 14, 2010 10:32:54 GMT by joem83
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Dec 14, 2010 11:34:17 GMT
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sooo thinking laterally a bit here, say you built a full-on 'bodydropped' minitruck pickup, and ran it with only rear arch tubs and no bed floor as is quite often the trend, would that be provable as 'not a commercial vehicle' as it has no effective load space?? and so become BIVA-able? I wonder....... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Depends how much has chagged? If within 8 points system and body only channelled ( body drop ? HAHA !!) then still the same vehicle. Without enough points , especially modified chassis then it requires BIVA ( or SVA Good until October 2011) thats not quite what I'm getting at kev, i fully understand the points system, and obviously in this case on a seperate chassis pickup the body would equate to 0 points so i could do what the hell i wanted. but as i understand it, and as mark has pointed out, there is provision for cutting a car down into a pickup, but not for modifying a pre-existing 'commercial vehicle' unless you can prove it is for non-commercial usage, so basically we cant modify vans or pickups- which i like doing! hence me saying if you presented it with no bed floor, or say no bed at all (for example a model A pickup build but turn it into a modified with only the cab, leave the bed off when sent for test) surely this would class as 'not for commercial purposes' as it has no effective load space? vans would be a pain to prove though. how about converting it into a camper inside? second row seats that flod down into a bed like a VW rock and roll bed, small sink and cooker at the back. surely then thats not for commerical purposes either? I'm just trying to find ways round what I'm lead to believe are the rules, so i can still build what i want!!
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Dec 14, 2010 11:43:09 GMT
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![](http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/attachment.php?attachmentid=15457&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1274910577) ![](http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/attachment.php?attachmentid=15456&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1274910460) i think the floors are stock at the front, they're just cut back(forward) in the old under the rear seat area. still a no-no, but could be got round. with a bit of jiggery-pokery you could build something with the same proportions with a stock floorpan. just run the body back to the rear under-seat outriggers and terminate it there, maybe move the body back a little too. i still yet to see a beetle pickup that looks decent anyway, be it tintop or rpu, they never look right. youd be better off building a chopped and channelled full bodied car, and not have to worry about modding the floorpan at all then.
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Dec 14, 2010 12:09:55 GMT
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Last Edit: Dec 14, 2010 12:16:02 GMT by joem83
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Dec 14, 2010 12:33:32 GMT
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I'm wondering if changing the body type to 'car-derived pickup' would be a way around the confusion.
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Dec 14, 2010 13:33:03 GMT
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Looking at the advert he's obviously asked the wrong people at VOSA . We deal with those who advise the test stations and also pass the cars to GO to BIVA / SVA test. It does however confirm that , as we keep on about, it is happening.
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Dec 14, 2010 13:34:48 GMT
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I'm wondering if changing the body type to 'car-derived pickup' would be a way around the confusion. Nope, you are still cutting the monococque = BIVA but no class unless more radical work done.
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Dec 14, 2010 13:36:50 GMT
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the minis are all based on convertibles with bolt in kits that go were the convertible roof would normally sit can be converted back in about a day but all of them are classed and registered as advertising props so all done legit How do you register as an advertising prop? Or did you mean all done legit because it's an advertising prop?
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Dec 14, 2010 13:45:52 GMT
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Depends how much has chagged? If within 8 points system and body only channelled ( body drop ? HAHA !!) then still the same vehicle. Without enough points , especially modified chassis then it requires BIVA ( or SVA Good until October 2011) thats not quite what I'm getting at kev, I fully understand the points system, and obviously in this case on a seperate chassis pickup the body would equate to 0 points so I could do what the hell I wanted. but as I understand it, and as mark has pointed out, there is provision for cutting a car down into a pickup, but not for modifying a pre-existing 'commercial vehicle' unless you can prove it is for non-commercial usage, so basically we cant modify vans or pickups- which I like doing! hence me saying if you presented it with no bed floor, or say no bed at all (for example a model A pickup build but turn it into a modified with only the cab, leave the bed off when sent for test) surely this would class as 'not for commercial purposes' as it has no effective load space? vans would be a pain to prove though. how about converting it into a camper inside? second row seats that flod down into a bed like a VW rock and roll bed, small sink and cooker at the back. surely then thats not for commerical purposes either? I'm just trying to find ways round what I'm lead to believe are the rules, so I can still build what I want!! It would be a question of convincing the guys who pass the vehicle as suitable forward for test . The camper/caravanette rules will all be changing again in 2012 as they currently get away with murder. An A modified wouldn't create a problem but then again, as per mine , a ground up A pickup would be elegible for SVA still ( currently) with a much lesser test IF modified enough. It is the previously registered converted saloon to pick up that has no class , and also modified already registered pick up UNLESS modified further to qualify under Amateur Built Goods Vehicle. It is the mild pick up conversion only, be that saloon to pick up or say roof chopped existing monococque pickup, with no further mods , that have no class to use. Look back at the 100E Pick up that went through on Amateur Built status , Capri legs and steering, Escort rear axle, 5 link and coilovers, Pinto and manual with a semi spaceframe construction. Had that been 'just ' chopped into a pick up then no class to use.
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Last Edit: Dec 14, 2010 13:49:08 GMT by kapri
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Dec 14, 2010 14:06:40 GMT
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Just to confirm.
As long as I leave the chassis as originally made with no modifications "what so ever", and use all the original running gear, then I can put whatever body I want on my Range Rover chassis ? At present the body is cut off behind the B posts as all too rotten / previously bodged too much repair - and I then found new internal panels unavailable (this is a 2 door). Turning it into a pick-up would a great way of putting it back on the road until I can source another 2 door shell worthy of resoration that can be swopped over at a later date.
Paul H
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Dec 14, 2010 14:45:21 GMT
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Dec 14, 2010 14:56:43 GMT
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so the simplest way to go about a rebody really is to build an "adapter" to fit the body onto the existing mounts and not alter the chassis at all, no bother on a 4x4 as you can incorporate a body lift in there at the same time.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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