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Paint questions.rustingdeathtrap
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Apr 30, 2006 21:57:05 GMT
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Right then. Seeing as I know next to sod all about paint and what with being colour blind too, i need a bit of advice. First of all my compressor is one of those tiny little jobs that is normally used for nail guns. I've been told that i wont be able to spray metallics with this as it'll go all stripey, is this right? Also I've seen a lot of 50's style Kustoms with what i would call flat paint. I don't know if this candy or satin or what but i think it looks the nuts. I'd assume that to pull this finish off i'd need the body extra straight but would it be anymore difficult than just using a satin laquer and would i be able to paint the body in a flat bronze and do the roof in gold flake. Also if i use 2K primer would it mean i could only 2K top coat too. Thanks in advance RR paint dudes ;D
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Apr 30, 2006 22:22:11 GMT
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not much help but matt hides dents, shiny u need a perfect body (ooohh errr)... thats why whenever i t cut my cars they look pants
so if ya looking to do a first attempt matt/satin paint is easiest
Rich
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1974 Fiat 130 Coupe 1987 Saab 900 turbo 1988 Mercedes 300ce coupe 1988 Skoda Classic Trials Car 1988 Skoda road rally rapid 1990 Saab 9000 Carlsson
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Apr 30, 2006 22:22:28 GMT
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"little jobs" can you specifiy the size (in CFM and litres reciever?) A mate sprayed his Ventora with a 2HP / 50 litre and a Clarke £10 gun and it looked OK in Metallic gold. IIRC his first attempt at a whole car as well as his first metallic. To pull of a satin pearl or whatever your car needs to be really straight and the paint needs to be right or it will look like you botche up a shiny job There are a bunch of options for achieving the look. HOK are aledgedly (according to one of the mags) making satin candy and the like but I suspect this is a miscommunication and there was nothing on their product list last I noticed. Next up you can add a mattng agent to the clear coat. Just specifiy how much matt you want in your clear. Or flat the clear down with 2000 grit but don't polish it up Or (popular move in the US with the customs ATM) don't apply a clear over the basecoat. Its the clear that gives the gloss. However this is really not durable if driven and also basecoat is porous so it will cause the car to rust out under the paint. If you want flake you need lacquer (you may get a half decent flake in 2K clear but everyone who does trad flake I've spoken to says use 1K lacquer for flake) You can use HS basecoat over 2K primer, thats whatits designed for. HS basecoat requires either a 2K clear or a 1K lacquer to give it gloss and durability. If you're happy to shoot 2K primer might as well use a 2K clear on top. If you use a direct gloss paint on 2K primer I'd use a 2K paint. I bet you should get away with it if its well cured to use 1K or even celly, but if you're shooting 2K primer you can shoot 2K gloss. Always use correct breathing apparatus and eye & skin protection with 2K products, including while mixing. Its toxic and carcinogenous whenever its airborne.
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Paint questions.rustingdeathtrap
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Apr 30, 2006 22:34:43 GMT
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Cheers alistair. I know 2K can be dangerous and i always assumed you need an air fed mask, but i've seen a few regular masks now that offer 2K protection. is this just curse word? Its not as if I'm gonna be spraying every day so i wont be exposed to it as much as pro sprayer. The only reason i want to use 2K primer is that I've been told this is the best base to work with, as in when it hardens it gives a good solid base that wont react with anything.
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Paint questions.rustingdeathtrap
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Apr 30, 2006 22:42:27 GMT
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Sorry dude, havent got a clue about the compressor. Is 50 litre the smallest you can get cos i'd say it was probably the smallest i'd seen that looked like a regular compressor. i.e it has a visible tank with a seperate motor and piston on top. This kinda thing I know its been used to paint a car before, just not with metallic.
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Last Edit: Apr 30, 2006 22:44:48 GMT by rustingdeathtrap
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www.diy-compressors.com/shop/economy-direct-drive-compressors.htmIt looks like the 220/24 compressor. 2 HP 24 litre and 8.1cfm. ABAC are a decent make in compressors and a 2hp machine from them will be better than a really cheap 2hp machine. I have sprayed panels including metallica with a 1.5hp 24 litre £60 compressor and a cheap gun (Sealey gold) and got fairly decent results. don't think I would like to try a complete car though as the air was getting low by the time I reached the end of a mondeo bonnet. I also have a cheap 3hp 14.1 cfm(FAD) direct drive compressor I bought of ebay for 130 pound brand new but this has less power and air than the 2HP machine mart machine I use now which was twice the price
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Paint questions.Deleted
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you should be fine with that compressor it would work even better with a low pressure gun (HVLP). i painted my old GXL outside with a compressor that size and a low pressure gun
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slater
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Paint questions.slater
@slater
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Aye id say a compressor like that would keep up ok with a HVLP gun, My little 24L one can keep up ok but i have it attached to a big tank which helps a little.
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Depends whos HVLP. Some of them (the proferssional types) often need like 20 CFM FAD. Always check the air requirements of any tool you buy first... On eBay theres a guy who sells some cheap unbranded HVLP guns for like £18 +P&P. these have a good low air consumption and work very well. I have one which is what I used until I upgraded to my DeVilbis GTi I still use it for heavier materials as it has a 1.7 fluid tip rather than the GTi 1.3 Masks - well - the thing about isocyanates is that they are absorbed through the skin - especially though they eyes, tear ducts, etc. so you really need full face protection. Airfed mask is best. Also wear long sleeves tucked into gloves. You won't runan airfed mask and a spray gun off that compressor. I've seen masks claiming to be 2K safe on ebay and the like, but one I looked up on the manufacturers website was NOT 2K safe! So buy with caution. Spray in a well ventilated area and "you pays your money, takes your chances"... There are a couple of paint companies doing non-Isocyanate 2K clears now, opinions vary and I've never tried one yet. Don't know about non-Iso primers. Iso is a cumulative poison so its more a risk for thoseof us who do a fair amount of home paint work or for professionals. I'm still a natually very cautions person though! 2K primer is certainly much better than old fashioned celly. You could borrow a second compressor for the airfed, or perhaps try one of the various airless sprayers, some are supposed to be rather good. Theres a company in Derby rents out a pro HVLP heated air rig for £60 (IIRC) the weekend. Local hire places to you may have something similar. I have one of those Earlex HVLP units which I used for spraying fences etc. and have used it to put some primer on my Ventora and it seems to have doen a reasonable job. That was £60 from Argos. I've only used quite thin primer though.
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Last Edit: May 1, 2006 10:51:10 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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