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Ok, I have a load of scrap to weigh in - springs, manifolds, brake drums etc. Do I have to clean everything ( oil and grease ) before I take it in ?? What categories is everything split up into Steel and ally I really have no idea what I'm doing so any advice would be lovely....
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If you can split into. Steel Ally Copper Lead Mixed it will make it easier. Phone up in advance and find out what they will pay per kg.
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Keep CATs seperate as well if you have any.
Also worth sheeting over the trailer or whatever as technically you can be classed as waste carrier without a licence and get EA on to you. Unlikely but if they can't see what you've got will probably assume you're off to the tip with normal domestic waste.
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Keep CATs seperate as well if you have any. Also worth sheeting over the trailer or whatever as technically you can be classed as waste carrier without a licence and get EA on to you. Unlikely but if they can't see what you've got will probably assume you're off to the tip with normal domestic waste. There was an article in local press recently when Police / DSS / Council / VOSA / HMRC etc waited at the scrap metal mechants. I seem to remember it saying around 100 people got caught for various offences including not having waste carrier licence, no commercial vehicle insurance, not declaring self employed or income, working when claiming benefits etc. Of course this doesn't apply to an individual having a clear out. Paul H
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Oct 19, 2010 10:07:13 GMT
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Keep CATs seperate as well if you have any. Also worth sheeting over the trailer or whatever as technically you can be classed as waste carrier without a licence and get EA on to you. Unlikely but if they can't see what you've got will probably assume you're off to the tip with normal domestic waste. There was an article in local press recently when Police / DSS / Council / VOSA / HMRC etc waited at the scrap metal mechants. I seem to remember it saying around 100 people got caught for various offences including not having waste carrier licence, no commercial vehicle insurance, not declaring self employed or income, working when claiming benefits etc. Of course this doesn't apply to an individual having a clear out. Paul H Yikes !! Although it'll only be a mk1 golf with a box of scrap in the boot..
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Oct 19, 2010 10:35:03 GMT
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It's not worth the time/effort in weighing in steel unless there is a lot of it. I just weighed in 3/4 ton and got £80. It's just not worth weighing in a bootful of steel. 3/4 of a ton equated to three engine blocks, five heads, three gearboxes, LOTS of brake discs, a big pile of other metal including cranks, silencers etc....then some seriously thick/heavy cast pipe. Any less than £80 and it wouldn't have been worth the hassle of loading/driving to tip/unloading etc.... No you don't have to degrease or clean anything, just take it as it is. Ally is worth good money but it has to be clean I.e. if it's a head then it must be stripped completely of any other metals. Alloy wheels are easy money because they are just that...alloy, but engine blocks, heads etc...made of ally can be a ballache to strip. The time to strip a head compared to how much you'll get for it starts to become questionable! Cats. Great money in cats.....when I weighed in my 3/4 ton of metal for £80 I took three cats in as well and got £120 for them. All the effort of loading & unloading all that steel yet I got £40 more for three cats which amounted to an armful! Copper is also good. I had some nice thick earth cable in the trailer after unloading my haul. After going into the office to collect my money, I came out to find the outer plastic sheath coiled up on the floor.....some traveller had pinched the copper out of it in the 2 mins I was in the office! To sum up - weighing in is a good way to make some quick cash, but you really need to have enough to warrant doing it in the first place. Also - take your own hard hat & high viz vest. Do you really want to weat the 'communal' hat with the stinky, sweaty damp, sodden headband they give out to those who don't have their own? I learnt that lesson the hard way the first time I weighed anything in..... Lastly, here is a shot from my last 'haul' - all scrap stuff donated to Area 52 to add to the weighbridge pile in order to raise some much needed funds.
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Oct 19, 2010 10:39:41 GMT
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Thing is what we as retro heads would consider 'individual having a bit of a clear out' would be very different from what Joe Public/PC Plod/EA etc would.
Much more than a single car radiator and maybe a battery or two could be taken to be waste from an unlicensed car repair business operating from a domestic residence. Hell in my street changing your own headlight bulb is viewed as some form of witchcraft that only skilled and trained professionals should do.
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Nathan
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Oct 19, 2010 10:47:09 GMT
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Half a Sierra XR4i got me £140 that included the rear axle.
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Oct 19, 2010 10:47:41 GMT
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Unless I have at least a tonne I don't bother. Anything less and i let the local traveller have it when he comes round. Always good to keep them happy I tend to only do it myself if I have a lot of decent heavy stuff or a car shell I need rid of. Then it gets loaded up until heavy enough to be worth it. If you have a number of electric motors, alternators or starters, it might be worth keeping them seperate.
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Oct 19, 2010 10:59:37 GMT
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It's rare I have enough to be bothered weighing in. Smaller amounts I just give to a passing scrap collector _ there is one I'm on good terms with who comes around every week so if it gives him a few quid then less hassle for me than taking to tip 7 miles away. Larger amounts yet still not worth weighing in myself I either ring up the local chap or put on Freegle (use to be Freecycle).
I did at one time start to seperate out alloy and keep seperate for myself but PIA so now it just gets taken by anyone passing.
Paul H
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Oct 19, 2010 11:00:51 GMT
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I still reckon it's worth taking small amounts of scrap in if you want to get rid of it. Certainly better than going to the tip and having to pay dumping fee! There are no scrap-collecting travellers in Australia, if you leave scrap metal in your front yard the only thing that will happen is that the council will write you a letter telling you to clean it up.
The last time I dropped off scrap metal it was a couple of old fridges, washing machines and an oven. We also had a strip of copper flashing about 15cm wide and a couple of metres long which was worth more money than all of the steel! As I said though, if we didn't go to the scrap metal yard it would have cost us $50 to get rid of it, so definitely go for it if you've got anything that's too big to fit in your bin.
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Oct 19, 2010 11:36:55 GMT
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I regularly take half a ton in at a time in me P100 ;D may not be worth it for some but money is money ;D i lob it all in the light iron nowdays but when L/ iron was low i used to seperate cast, No1 sheering (steel wheels), and light iron into seperate loads, now not worth it as L/iron is higher than than the rest. unless the rules have changed since I was last pulled over in may you don't need a waist carryers liecense for your own scrap only if it's somone elses ? as the owner of 7 classic cars I clear me yard out once a year (don't use the smae excuse to the same officer twice in a row they will remember) Ally, keep cast and rolled seperate, if you mix then they will pay you at the lowest price which is rolled ally (IE any ally that is not cast) ! some places have alloys wheels seperate from cast head/gearbox casings ect so ask first or they will stay silent and pay you at the lowest rate for mixed Wire, stripped is better but can be a pain, I strip all my wire when i'm bored and have a few hours to kill, you get £3000 a ton more by stripping it so may or may not be worth it for you ? leccy motors and windings have a seperate catagory now so keep em seperate and not in the iron batterys are very good at the mo £4 pluss for a normal sized (085) one, stainless is curse word a the mo, getting £2 or less for a sink/drainer at the mo so I store it up in plastic barrels till I have a load of each, I also keep all the bolts I find/remove, you'd be surprised how much a years worth of bolts weight ;D
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Oct 19, 2010 12:05:44 GMT
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Always pays to keep everything seperate. Typically Ali fetches £600-700 / tonne Copper £2800 Steel/iron/mixed £ 150-180 Bronze £ 3500ish Batteries £200/tonne Mixed motors (ie starters/alternators erc) £200 ish
Obviously prices vary depending on yard and fluctuate daily
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Oct 19, 2010 17:42:44 GMT
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Oct 19, 2010 17:57:41 GMT
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i'd say steel is so low at moment make a little pile and forget about it. wait until begining o feb when it always doubles in price. I've got about 12 tonnes stacked up atm. really need some form of compactor as my big oil tank has seen better days. putting a shell in it and crushing with a digger bucket, and then another shell on top, loose scrap etc my once perfect cubes are going slightly funny shaped, and not holdong together that well. Bonus is at 4x6 feet can get 6 shells on one trailer load. much safer than when i used to stack them on top of eachother.
I enquired about a Waste carrier licence as the Vosa said i needed one, EA said as i'm a Farm i don't need a Licence, however I need to declare the scap on the farm accounts.
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Oct 19, 2010 18:10:54 GMT
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My local place pays less for alloy with any bits of steel inserts in them (manifold studs, bearings etc)
If its easy to remove the steel i do, if not i seperate those pieces and make sure they get weighed seperately
Last time i weighed stuff in (August this year) Aluminium was at £750/ton and Irony-Aluminium (as they call it) was only £250/ton So if its a few minutes to remove the steel its worth the effort.
Car batteries are good money aswell at £350/ton doesn't take many to mount up the weight.
I won't make a special trip to weigh stuff in unless i have a large amount. But if i'm going past for another reason i'll often fill the carltons boot with higher value stuff and cash it in. As they say every little helps ;D
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Oct 19, 2010 19:47:47 GMT
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DO - Run the hose over the interior the night before you weigh the car in. ;D
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Oct 19, 2010 20:10:48 GMT
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Scrap steel priece (and steel price in general) is on a down at the moment.
The mills etc arent buying as they know the price is going down further. Currently the large scrap merchants are sitting on large piles (the main exporters) so the local yards arent getting a good price, and if they cant get a good price they wont give you one.
If you can, hold off for a while you'll get a bit more for it.
The only thing the scrap yard was concerned about last time was people bringing in manhole covers.
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Oct 19, 2010 20:19:58 GMT
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Bruce... I just weiged some engines... 5 essex, 2 cologne and 1 kent (stripped and dead blocks, some with cranks and heads) and got £190... 1/2 shred is car full of crud money, yours should have said shearing section (or whatever they are calling heavy iron this week) and would have been worth about 30% more.
In case you are wondering, the engines were from the "autofive killed it" pile ;D
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Oct 19, 2010 20:28:33 GMT
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yeah youve gotta take the pee a bit, if youre weighing in engine blocks, id expect grade 1 or 2 as they're obviously all metal. if youre weighing in car shells, they expect em to be full of interiors, plastic, rubble, water,(basically anything heavy that cant be got rid of any other way) and any other general rubbish, so give you grade 3/ car rate which is about a quarter of the rate. you gotta play the game
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Last Edit: Oct 19, 2010 20:29:44 GMT by Dez
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