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Mar 31, 2006 16:06:27 GMT
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Always fancied a Karmann Ghia, but having driven things later in life with some omph, anybody know anything about people who have done a modified Karmann Ghia eg turbo'd, impreza'd or porsche'd ?
I'd gladly chop in my collection of Alfas for a luuuuurvly one.
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jabbo
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Mar 31, 2006 16:41:56 GMT
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I know someone who build a Ghia with a 360BHP Cosworth motor in, plus used all the 4x4 suspension to make it 4wd. I've also seen a couple of examples using Scooby engines. However all these have come in at around the £25-30K mark.
Being honest, and speaking as a Ghia owner, unless you're willing to pay mega bucks I don't particularly think it's worth going for an engine out of something different. Best option would be to buy a Ghia, buy a decent built engine (e.g 2109-2332cc can be picked up for under 5K), get a box built and go out and start pulling 12-13 second quarters! w00t!
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Mar 31, 2006 18:21:51 GMT
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as the ghia uses a bog standard type 1 (beetle) engine, you can do exactly what some beetle owners do and drop a subaru lump in. it's fairly good size-wise and it's been done so many times it's a known conversion, no risks.
to get the turbo lumps running properly though you need bucketloads of electronics, and to be honest the hassle of putting in an NA motor you might as well build a nice aircooled flat 4. if you look at VWDRC results there are some subaru engined bugs (in the AE category) but they still get beaten on a regular basis by good old fashioned big-CC type 1 engines.
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Mar 31, 2006 18:36:24 GMT
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Subaru power is the way forward imho - TSR run a bug in the AE (alternate-engine) class of the VWDRC and offer conversion kits and fitting for these engines. Going rate is less than the cost to build a comparable output aircooled engine and you don't need to go for top spec to get pleasantly surprising performance Alfa boxers go in with a conversion plate, and some bodywork - give plenty of performance Another less common but effective swap is a Mazda rotary. There's a guy on VZi who sells the conversion kits. I'd steer clear of anything inline as i think you'll struggle to keep it under the decklid (bonnet/boot thing). Finally, KG's arent cheap, later ones are a bit uglier (and cheaper) IMHO and coupe's look 1.36 million times better than the convertibles (IMHO again). T34 razoredges even nicer but much rarer. Oh, and for goodness sake, don't put fuchs on it, if you get one. 'Lowlight' (earliest): Early: Late (70's - note 'europa' bumpers and indicators) Razoredge:
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Last Edit: Mar 31, 2006 18:48:33 GMT by Panda Matt
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Mar 31, 2006 18:40:03 GMT
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i say go for the rotary, lovely sound, super fast, and lots and lots of tuning bits. Its just a case of how fast do you want to go?
MMMmmmm a razoredge ghia with a 13B single turbo making ooohhh i don't know, around 500bhp? Good enough to float my boat!!!
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Mar 31, 2006 18:44:22 GMT
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big cc type 4 stroker motors are the way forward.
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Mar 31, 2006 22:32:10 GMT
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saw someone put a v8 into a beach buggy in this months sdbc news letter. if the ghias the same fitment as a beetle then that must be done to a ghia
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with a buggy though, you can have the engine hanging quite a way out the back (and i'd assuume some extra mounts, as hanging a V8 from four gearbox bolts seems a bit risky) - with a KG or beetle you've gotta get it under the decklid. KG's have a squarer area to get engines in so a small inline might be possible, but beetles really need a boxer engine due to the shape of the engine bay.
never seen a rotary in a vw, sounds interesting and a little bit different to the subaru way.
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ah good point. i shold have guessed really since the engine was sticking miles out at the back. looked a bit silly imho
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120 to 140bhp per tonne would be what I'm after.
so from google I've managed to work out that a KG is around 70bhp per tonne (@ 907kg)
therefore I'd need an engine (assuming it weighed the same) knocking out around 110 to 130bhp.
Thats obviously well under scooby figures, but I'm a complete novice when it comes to bigg cc VW engines. What sort of money to be paid for lumps that knock out xcess of 110bhp ?
16v Alfa boxer engine might be cool - easy electrrics, revvy as hell & about 137bhp.
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if you are happy to buy a second hand motor you can find a bargain giving you that p/w ratio easily. anything from a 1776 upwards would be there or there abouts for you. i remember a porsche powered one in volksworld a few years back, silver on 17 or 18 bbs rims if i remember right. the cheapest way would be to stick the cb performance bolt on turbo kit on a 1600. i think thats about £2400/2500. it depends upon what you are after, but its very easily achieveable in a number of ways.
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according to some online 1/4 mile calculators, that motor needs to be punching out nearly 200bhp !!!!!!!!
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according to some online 1/4 mile calculators, that motor needs to be punching out nearly 200bhp !!!!!!!! Wouldn't surprice me in the least. Most cars running 48IDA's are gonna be around the 200bhp mark.
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Last Edit: Apr 3, 2006 13:14:55 GMT by jabbo
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hmmmmmmmm yummy got my juices flowing
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thats an old pic of my turbo set up
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I'd go Mazda power and keep everything reversible, 200bhp and 4k? A ratio of two figures that don't go together in my book I'm afraid. Carbs and turbos too, come on it's a new century, we can do better than that can't we? Oh and keefy, that pic might be old, but it never gets boring... Those exhaust headers are loverrly ;D
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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At the end of the day it would also come down to what you want to use the car for as well. That aircooled engine I linked to will pretty much beat any engine down the strip, unless you're gonna blow loads of money. I appreciate for that price you could easily pick up a cheap 276 brake turbo scooby lump and plumb it in, but it wouldn't even come close to pulling mid 12 quarters. 200bhp from a Beetle engine will have much better acceleration than 300+ bhp engines from other cars. It's not all just about final power output, you've got to look at the whole set up. However, if you want a car to have a bit of fun in, scare the chavs, and also sit at 80-90mph on the motorway, reliably, day in day out, the Subaru would probably be the best option.
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At the end of the day it would also come down to what you want to use the car for as well. That aircooled engine I linked to will pretty much beat any engine down the strip, unless you're gonna blow loads of money. I appreciate for that price you could easily pick up a cheap 276 brake turbo scooby lump and plumb it in, but it wouldn't even come close to pulling mid 12 quarters. 200bhp from a Beetle engine will have much better acceleration than 300+ bhp engines from other cars. It's not all just about final power output, you've got to look at the whole set up. However, if you want a car to have a bit of fun in, scare the chavs, and also sit at 80-90mph on the motorway, reliably, day in day out, the Subaru would probably be the best option. Sorry...I just fail to understand how two engines with the same horsepower and torque outputs can give different results...one being better simply by virtue of being by VW... :/ *n
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are any torque curves available to allow an emotion-free comparison? This: 200bhp from a Beetle engine will have much better acceleration than 300+ bhp engines from other cars. sounds well sus to me. Unless the VW engine has far greater torque produced over a smaller speed range and gearing to compensate (i.e. 50% more gears), it simply aint gonna happen.
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Last Edit: Apr 3, 2006 16:30:44 GMT by Mr_Bo11ox
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