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Mar 27, 2006 12:35:02 GMT
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What's everyone's opinions about making your own banded steels?
If I got 2 sets of identical steels....cut the outer lip off one set.....and the outer rim (from centre out) from another set.....then welded the outer rim to the set which I just cut the lip off of I reckon I'd widen the wheels by about 2/3 inches...?
Obviousely I'd re-inforce the join on the inside of the rim, but I can't see the job actually being that difficult! My father-in-law has got a metal lathe so cutting the wheels true wouldn't be an issue.
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I like long walks, especially when they're taken by people I don't like.
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Mar 27, 2006 12:41:27 GMT
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I'd be so nervous of that, rather trust it to someone that does it commercially.
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Seth
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Mar 27, 2006 12:42:57 GMT
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I'm pretty sure banded steels are a definite no-no legally and have been that way for many years. Sorry!
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Mar 27, 2006 12:49:04 GMT
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I'm pretty sure banded steels are a definite no-no legally and have been that way for many years. Sorry! I know they're not legal which is why I'd keep a set of std rims for the MOT
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I like long walks, especially when they're taken by people I don't like.
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Mar 27, 2006 12:53:38 GMT
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Thing is if you were involved in an accident (and not your fault) and your car was 'wearing' these at time questions could still be asked!
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2006 12:54:13 GMT by TwincamGTi
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Mar 27, 2006 12:54:09 GMT
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I'd get someone who actually knows what they are doing to re-rim them if thats what you want...
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Mar 27, 2006 12:57:16 GMT
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I think a Mr Bob Knight, in Southend re-rims wheels, his son writes for Ultra VW. I wouldn't drive a car with banded wheels, unless I knew they were 100% spot on, even then I'd be dubious! its all that's keeping your suspension from digging into the ground, imagine that at 70 mph . Not worth it for any ammount of money in my eyes.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Make your own wheelsBenzBoy
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Mar 27, 2006 13:05:31 GMT
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There are a lot of things I'd do myself, and take calculated risks etc, but I think I'd draw the line at trusting my own welding / fabbing skills with something as critical as wheels. For shows and that, sure, I'd probably risk it. But the thought of a wheel coming apart at 70 / 80mph on the motorway would put me off right away!
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street
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Mar 27, 2006 13:06:42 GMT
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If your confident in your welding abilities, i don't see a problem personally. People have been running banded wheels for years, its only when they're bodged that safety issues arise surely? Wheels have to be strong and run true, but factory wheels arent built by NASA, normal engineering rules apply like anything else you make yourself IMO
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Mar 27, 2006 13:44:34 GMT
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There are plenty of people who re-rim steel wheels - I'd do that rather than band a set. You can choose your offset and they'll look great
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Mar 27, 2006 14:33:42 GMT
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who are these "plenty of people "then?
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"quote hairnet"
I'm not paying nine pound for a pi$$!
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Mar 27, 2006 15:04:35 GMT
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Sorry, my wording is a bit misleading - most are in the states (I read plenty of American Hot Rod magazines) as making up a wheel with a stock centre and new rim is common practice - You post them your stock wheel, tell them the width and offset and presto! back comes your new roller. Better finding someone to do that than get 3 points and a £1500 fine per wheel or whatever the penalty is in the UK www.trudesignwheel.net/www.stocktonwheel.com/oem_wheels.htmStill, banded wheels done well will not arouse the suspicion of your average bobby, nor will they cause any real problems.
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Mar 27, 2006 15:22:29 GMT
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Thanks for the links - anywhere in the UK do this?
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I like long walks, especially when they're taken by people I don't like.
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Mar 27, 2006 15:25:49 GMT
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Deffo worth speaking to Bob Knight if he does it, he has a really good reputation. He's on VZi, as is Paul who'll be able to get a phone number.
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slater
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Make your own wheelsslater
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Mar 27, 2006 16:08:08 GMT
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Go for it, its not difficult, the tolorances are not a tight as you would think. i see wheels all the time that run 10mm+ out of true and its not relly a problem. Weldings not that critical either so long as you can weld and understand the priciples of getting a good weld you will be ok.
I'm not sure why people are so afrade of doing things whith wheels. Its no differant to altering suspension or brakes. Sure if you don't know what your doing they could kill you, yet plenty of people build their own suspension and brake parts!
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Mar 27, 2006 17:18:02 GMT
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For the most part I agree with Slater. It isnt that difficult a job to do, especially the way you plan to do it. But I have seen some absloutely terrible attempts at banding. If its done carefully and the welding is upto a good standard then there should be no problem. I would recommend on practising on a couple of wheels first and see what sort of results you get.
Two main problems I would forsee is firstly cutting the wheels. You need quite a big lathe, or be able to remove the section of bed in front of the chuck to get the wheels on and they can be a pig to cut them true. Second problem is rolling the reinforcing strip for the inside, no problem with a set of rolls but awkward without. A friend of mine has banded wheels for years and has done from 10" wheels upto tractor wheels and I`ve helped him with some of them. The last ones he did were some 10x13 wheels for a tr7 V8 autotest car but he wont do them for road cars anymore.
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thevert
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Mar 27, 2006 20:11:27 GMT
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Have assisted in a land mine clearance trailor wheel, was quite easy, if you can weld well, do it i say
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Make your own wheelsBenzBoy
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Mar 27, 2006 22:58:36 GMT
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I'm interested to see how this turns out. I wouldn't trust my own welding for something like that, but then I'm not the worlds greatest welder by any stretch of the imagination!
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For the most part I agree with Slater. It isnt that difficult a job to do, especially the way you plan to do it. But I have seen some absloutely terrible attempts at banding. If its done carefully and the welding is upto a good standard then there should be no problem. I would recommend on practising on a couple of wheels first and see what sort of results you get. Two main problems I would forsee is firstly cutting the wheels. You need quite a big lathe, or be able to remove the section of bed in front of the chuck to get the wheels on and they can be a pig to cut them true. Second problem is rolling the reinforcing strip for the inside, no problem with a set of rolls but awkward without. A friend of mine has banded wheels for years and has done from 10" wheels upto tractor wheels and I`ve helped him with some of them. The last ones he did were some 10x13 wheels for a tr7 V8 autotest car but he wont do them for road cars anymore. Well I'm hoping my father-in-laws 3 tonne industrial metal lathe should be big enough I've not put a not of thought as to how I'd cut the wheels, but I'm guessing the best way is to hire an air saw?? I think the strengthening band will be an easy job - affix it flat in one place with a few welds, then heat the band up and bend it round the wheel tacking it in place along the way....then seam weld up when it's cool.
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I like long walks, especially when they're taken by people I don't like.
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Let me know when you're going to get 'em balanced... I'll buy shares in a lead mine... ;D
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down and that's not really the car's fault.
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