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they look great bruce . i cheated with mine on the golf and just got a set of blacked cross hairs off the bay ;D   |
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that explains that then!!! I was looking at the headlmaps when we were prepping it for the filming and i just assumed it was some JDM thing with the mesh on the headlights. It was so tightly on i couldnt work out how it was attached so i gave up and carried on with my SkinnyGabe duties ;D lol
Looks soooo menacing!!!
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I know people have fitted Golf crystal lights into mk2 escorts with only slight mods so they should fit most things with the same size lights, i would imagine for rectangular lights you'd need to test with some cardboard to see if you needed them horizontal and vertical or tucked in the corners.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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See ive been thinking on and off about doing this for a while , But I'm guessing the crosshairs would have to be metal as the heat inside would be too high for plastic surely? As I guess id have to make a set..... You can get VW crosshairs already made (assuming the Polo ones are similar/the same as the Golf??) cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Golf-MK2-2-Clear-Smoke-Head-Light-Lights-Lamp-GTI-/400126098302?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d295fbb7eOther than that, yes they are best made from metal due to the heat given off by the bulb and the proximity of the crosshair to the bulb. Not that difficult to do though - split the lens from the bowl and spend some time carefully cutting some cars to shape (as a template) It'll be a lot easier for your lights because they are round and the bowl is uniform so all sides are the same. Mine was ellipsoid with flat/square edges and no two parts of the reflector had the same shape! Once you have the template, transfer to some sheet metal and chop away carefully. Make sure you add some locating tabs to stop them moving around and cut some corresponding slots in the bowl/reflector for the tabs (I araldite'd mine on the back of the bowl where the tab came through the slot) Simples.... ahhhhh thanks mate, ill have to make my own as polo ones are smaller than goof... but excellent writeup  cheers  |
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the flyeyes stuff is suprisingly good for the money, especially as they include a scalpel and stuff in there for you to do it with.
i did all the front lenses on my satin black passat with it, and they turned out nice. as you say, its so easy to use, took 2 of us less than an hour to do it and more time was spent removing and cleaning the lights than actually fitting the stuff!
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I've got a pair of brand new headlights in the garage gonna have a go this evening if I get time. Not sure on where to position the crosshairs, will try just doing a vertical and horizontal and go from there.
Matt
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looks awsome i so want to do this on my 5 series!!!!!!!!!
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I NEED to do this on my 190. Dunno if it's possible on them tho ?
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Good job the GF is away at the moment - she's more used to seeing jacket potatoes, joint of beef or tuna pasta bake in here:  Perfect for softening the bonding between headlight and lens. The lens pops out a treat after 30 mins @ 100 degrees (oven gloves are now in the wash!! ;D) |
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I just bought some fly-eyes  The Delica looks ace Bruce |
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Last Edit: Jul 2, 2010 12:57:01 GMT by Steve
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I've so gotta try this...
migth scour the bay and see if anyonehas some cheap lights for the daily
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Jun 12, 2011 11:56:07 GMT
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Can we see finished examples of murdered out lights please?? I have the passenger front headlight from my Discovery cooking as I type this. Can crosshairs be fitted to ellipsoid lights. I am wiling to try and make some. I can only find any information on round headlights. I am worried it will affect beam pattern at MOT time and I don't fancy ripping them apart again to correct it.
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Jun 12, 2011 13:12:13 GMT
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Awesome!
That is all.
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Last Edit: Jun 12, 2011 13:12:27 GMT by dude
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Jun 12, 2011 22:11:11 GMT
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Don't do what I did and forget they're in the oven and melt all the plastic. That is all.
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Jun 12, 2011 23:26:19 GMT
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Don't do what I did and forget they're in the oven and melt all the plastic. That is all. ;D Don't do what I did too. Masking tape peels of the thin silver coating the headlight bowls are lined with  |
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Jun 12, 2011 23:49:54 GMT
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Don't do what I did and forget they're in the oven and melt all the plastic. That is all. ;D Don't do what I did too. Masking tape peels of the thin silver coating the headlight bowls are lined with Apparently only some do it, i did a pair of sierra lights once. One turned out great, the other one was ruined. Luckily sierra lights aren't exactly rare Easy to open too, no need for ovening |
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Jun 12, 2011 23:59:29 GMT
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Aha I see. Second set I used butter to mask up, don't do that either Lucky for me Mk3 Golf lights are 2 a penny too. Next time I'm using a brush and a steady hand to apply the paint. |
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Sorry to hear about those people melting their lights! As Dude says, it's not 100% that all will work because they were never designed to be baked in an oven ;D Right, I completely forgot I'd made this thread (it was over a year ago) and I realised this morning that I've got some photos I took while converting my headlamps. I figured it might help some people to see how I did it? I didn't have any guides, just kinda made it up as I went along, but hopefully some of the principles will help anyone thinking of doing their own lights? My headlight units have both 'traditional' beam reflectors and also projector (ellipsoid) light units, so it kinda covers both bases for those who need to make crosshairs (beam reflectors) or darkening the surrounds of projector lamps or both. As you saw above, I used the oven to warm the sealant/adhesive in order to remove the glass front. You could also use a hot air gun which is more direct, but also allows one side to cool more as the other side is warmed. I've used both methods and found the oven to work better generally although it does take longer and don't let the other half catch you at it ;D Here we are with the glass front removed after heating, you can clearly see the two seperate units behind the smoked panel:  I popped the smoked panel off to gain access to the two light units (this panel is made of metal although some cars might have a plastic panel?)  Starting with the projector lights, I unscrewed the chrome retaining ring  ...then removed the projector lens for safe keeping - it is just held in with the retaining ring  Working at the back of the light unit I unscrewed the adjuster units  ....and put those to one side too (they are basically small gearboxes that allow the lights to be adjusted in situ from the front because you can't get to the back of the light once it's fitted)  Next I needed to unwind the adjusters themselves to allow the light to be removed from the main unit  Here you can see the other side of the adjusted which needs to be fully unwound before the light unit can be removed  Before doing this I used a pen to mark the rough location of the light unit onto the main housing so that I could get it pretty much aligned when refitting  Once the adjusters were unwound I could pop the light off the pivot clip that holds the corner of the light unit in place  |
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With the reflector unit removed, I could start work on the crosshair template. Lots of cutting, trimming, trial fit, re-trimming etc....to get it to sit nicely. Because the reflector isn't uniform in shape it took a lot longer than if I was making the corsshair for a 'standard' round reflector bowl  My template finished to checked to make sure it fits nice & snug. The closer it sits against the bowl of the reflector, the darker the light will appear because less light reflection can pass between each 'quarter' The cone shaped cut-outs in the crosshair are where the bulb will sit allowing the buld light to illuminate each part of the reflector  Hopefully it'll make more sense now?  Painted black so I can check how dark it makes the reflector once fitted  Time to get chopping some metal. On a sheet of mild steel, draw around the two crosshair templates then get the grinder working  Note I've added some 'tabs' to the crosshair. These will hold the crosshair in place in the reflector  My metal crosshair finished   Test fitted so I can work out where to cut the slits in the reflector for the 'tabs' to seat  With some careful Dremel action I've now got the slits for the tabs to sit in   Before going any further, time to key the chrome bits that I want to paint black. With the reflector being made of chromed plastic, this was easy - just a gentle run with a scotchpad  To save masking and potentially damaging the shiny reflector surface (which Will looks like he did), I decided to hand paint the reflector surround. A small brush was used...and I simply sprayed some satin black into the lid/cap of a spraycan to give me enough paint for a few coats.  |
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Next up I keyed all the other parts I wanted black (scotchpads again) then cleaned off all dust ready for painting them  A few coats of acid etch primer to help bond to the chrome surface. Keying will always help, but acid etch gives an even better bite to the surface meaning the paint should stay where intended and not flake off  Some coats of satin black  Once the paint is dry, the crosshair can be fitted to the reflector  My crosshairs were a really tight fit and probably wouldn't have moved, but I glued them in place anyway because you just never know? As we all, even well fitted things can work loose over thousands of miles of potholes, vibrations etc...better to be safe than sorry  Reflector refitted to the main light unit, re-aligned with the markings I had made and the bulb refitted  Projector lens refitted with the newly blackened retaining ring then the main cover panel (now also black) fitted securely  Main glass front refitted then warmed thoroughly with the heat gun to allow the sealant/adhesive to soften and bond properly to the glass. If you do it right, this should be all that's needed to keep the unit watertight, but if in doubt, a line of silicone sealant around the join will make sure everything is sealed and watertight  So there you have it - murdered out lights finished:  Comparison with a standard light (left), murdered out light (middle) and a 'double murdered' light on the right (double murdered if you didn't know is a murdered out light with a layer of flyeyes over the top for extra mean points!)  I hope that is of some help to anyone thinking of doing something like this to their lights? These pics were taken over a year ago and have been fitted to my Delica ever since. They are still in perfect condition and look just the same as they did when I fitted them.... Here is how they look on the vehicle....  |
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