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My 1600 SE Zetec is cleared ;D So going to see the Donor tomorrow and hear it run etc before it gets pulled out  Bellhousing and clutch will be ordered on Monday along with a new DTA S60 ECU ;D Thanks to someone on TS I now have a Type 9 and prop to cut up, and I collect the last peice of the puzzle next week which is a Running Driving Isuzu Piazza Turbo...... Which is kindly donating its LSD equipped rear Axle 'Appy days ;D ;D |
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dta s60, thats a funky piece of kit? isnt it overkill for your road rocket project? or if you are like me then i juts like having cool things anyway:p,
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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I was looking at the P8 Pro ;D Problem is, I just don't feel confident in my ability to get to the bottom of Megasquirt  It is not terribly user freindly to non Geeky types from what I have seen ? The DTA Front end is superb and is really intuitive....it also helps that I am now sharing a house with 2 very very clever Calibration Bods  ;D who have both looked at MS and found some "Issues" We looked at all the options and the DTA came out best suited Problem with MS seems to be that a lot of the clever people writing code for it, are better at writing code than they are at Base engine design and Cal strategies. Which on 90% of applications is fine, you will get away with it. throttle bodies Edis etc it will run that happily, I am going to be pushing it on an engine that is Det limited to start with so I want to be able to run the Knock sensor input, control water injection if needed, run Decent plug top coils etc and when you strt bolting all that on MS it gets expensive or You go to MSII which is still being developed The DTA is just better suited to what I want and although I am not happy about the price  It is the best Tool for the job and worth the purchase cost when compared toi what else is out there ;D The launch contrl and blended maps facility for wet weather/Dodgy fuel etc is really usefull too.... Has Datalogging but doesnt have Traction control Blows my "Budget blaster" concept somewhat but I should still bring it in at about what I wanted to spend and It will be a better set up for it. Can always Keep the DTA if I sell the car on as well, replace it with MS/emerald etc and use the DTA on something else ;D |
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yes agreed I'm not a fan of the whole MS thing to be honest, if i wanted a cheap and cheerful ECU i'd go vems, MS seems a bit outdated in some aspects to me, great if you want an electtronicy type project to do aswell (i don't and never want to have an electronics project) i imagine the biggest spend on my car will be an ecu.
a friend of mine runs a P8Pro on his car. doesnt use half the functions though:p
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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I just know my own limitations and the Geeky electronics stuff does not sink in with me..... The Mapping I don't have a problem with the electronics I`d rather leave to someone better qualified There is also someone very close by here with a rolling road that Knows MBE and DTA systems and mapping inside out....so much so he is usually on the DTA stand at Autosport international ;D Cheers Dom |
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Whats the DTA set up costing??
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A lot more than megasquirt..... E48 is £550+vat P8 Pro is £850+vat S60 Pro is £750+vat and will do everything that a P8 will do on a 4 cylinder apart from Traction control ;D Its their latest design and the future upgrades to the P8 will all be built on this architecture, so it will be supported for a long while yet Has Data logging and Does Lauch control though in 1st gear ;D so for sprints and hills its Ideal..... which is kind of my thinking ;D www.dtafast.co.uk/Have a look at the Sample software and compare with the MS front end This is so much more intuitive and has the adjustments at the right level, wheras MS has been added to to get the functionality but seemingly without any defined structure.... |
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Interesting... how does that compare to Motec and Emerald?? I guess cheaper than Motec and more than Emerald?
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Interesting... how does that compare to Motec and Emerald?? I guess cheaper than Motec and more than Emerald? I think its on a par with Motec, maybe slightly cheaper The E48 is the same price as emerald but is a much better system by all accounts, S60 is more expensive but a lot better ;D Went to see the car today, and fired it up ;D Its done 22,000 miles ;D fired up on the button although just wanted to Rev as something was stuck from the crash so switched it straight off again ;D Proper result Donor vehicle:  1600cc of Yamahas Finest ;D  If you look closely yoy can see the alternator up top, with the PAS pump below..... Pas Pump gets replaced with Supercharger and inlet manifold is replace with new Chargecooler set up ;D  Car looking a bit more at home now as well    very very happy bunny today ;D apart from the Bank balance ....always the same when changing contracts... go about 3 months before getting straight again  Cheers Dom |
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looks realy good! I'm loving this project! glad to see this is going better than your last engine.
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Hawt! relly like it, will look even better with a nice respray
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sounds like a great mix of parts, gonna be cracking when its finished. kadett looks good too
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just having a look at that DTA stuff, seems a lot 'nicer' than MS, but exactly how plug and play is it? i.e I'm thinking in terms of running it on a modded pinto EFI, would you plug in the ECU and away you go?
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Hawt! relly like it, will look even better with a nice respray I`m in 2 minds at the moment I actually quite like the ratty primer look that the other side has There is a certain satisfaction in destroying those that turn their nose up at it, by disappearing up the road sideways in a cloud of Tyre smoke and blower whine ;D ;D Straight body but tatty paint and mega polished wheels ;D what do you reckon Failing that I have a trade source for a 1/2 decent respray ........................................... As for the DTA being plug and play.... I really don't think there is such a thing.... the loom is pretty straightforward, but I cant help thinking its overkill on a mildly tweaked Pinto ? You might get away with MS and an injection Pinto motor ? I don't know ?? certainly a fair few people out there running similar so Maps and things will be available I just feel more confident that I will be able to get the Zetec up and running on DTA easier and quicker than doing the same with MS, purely because of all the inputs I`ll have to configure HTH Dom |
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What the hell are you all talking about !  mine just has 3 wires and a barrel full of petrol !  |
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I know what you mean about the megasquirt being daunting. I've just got mine assembled and i'm itching to put it on a motor so i can test it and start playing. Trouble is, seeing as i'm going for a zetec in the tina i need it to run megasquirt n spark firmware, which means re flashing the ecu, re wiring a few bits, then having to map the ignition aswell as the fuel side of things. The online support is good although i'm tempted to just try it on a pinto or somthing first, just so i can get my head around the fuel side of things before progressing into the ignition. Chevettes looking cool dom. I say keep it rat look. Primer and guide coat is the new satin black, trust me ;D |
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yeah, ive kinda got my head around MS (in principle, itll probably all go out the window when i get the donor)
but I'm really not competent when it comes to faffing with circuit boards and the such, plus ill want it to reliable to boot.
the plan was to get it running on a donor sierra or something, then swap it all over to the escort once i got it sorted.
how good will the standard ECU be for a mildy tuned pinto (44 + 39mm valves, lumpy cams, and 2.5" manifold and exhaust?) will i get much gains from a decent ECU.
at the end of the day id rather spend £600 for a working ECU than £300 for one that doesnt
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how good will the standard ECU be for a mildy tuned pinto (44 + 39mm valves, lumpy cams, and 2.5" manifold and exhaust?) will i get much gains from a decent ECU. at the end of the day id rather spend £600 for a working ECU than £300 for one that doesnt Standard EFI ECU will not like lumpy cam at all. You will see improvements in drivability, economy, power etc with a standalone system and you can change it to suit any new mods. All the systems are very similar in what they can do, its more about whos mapping it You just need to find the one that best suits your needs For me thats going to be DTA, for you it may be Emerald, MBE, MSnS, gems, vems, motec ? Only you can make that decision Cheers Dom |
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What the hell are you all talking about ! mine just has 3 wires and a barrel full of petrol ! Lol, I was just thinking the same thing. I can admire anybody who'll assemble a MS set-up, but when the time comes I'll be going for a ready made system and somebody who knows what they're doing to map it for me. A pile of wires and sensors doesn't do it for me. Electronics have never been my strong point and I'm old enough to know when to give up too. Dom, that Chevette is going to be the law, I say keep it ratty, polished rims and frikin fast. I'm looking foward to seeing the blower set-up, it just seems to make so much sense... ;D |
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Those rims look the dogs dangly bits! well nice an sweet engine to! ;D |
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It is not terribly user freindly to non Geeky types from what I have seen ?
;D who have both looked at MS and found some "Issues"
It is the best Tool for the job and worth the purchase cost when compared toi what else is out there ;D
