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Apr 17, 2010 19:46:37 GMT
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My n/s chassis rail is rotten around the trailing arm mount on my manta. Now, its just the outer tin skin and not the inner chassis leg. Last year it passed MOT no problems with the same amount of rot in place. (i try not to drive in the rain and deffo don't drive on salty roads!) So, I'm quite worried about this failing as I'm not sure if my freindly local MOT tester noticed this rot, or just let it pass because he knows me (he no longer does MOTs ) What i want to know, is that should i risk sending it for MOT with the outer skin rotten, or just bit the bullet and start opening a can of worms? ???Show season is uppon us and i need it back on the road!!!!
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1987 Opel manta GT 2.0 16v 1976 Opel manta s project 1985 Opel Rekord E 2.2i 1992 Vauxhall Carlton 2.3TD 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis 2005 Landrover discovery 3
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Apr 17, 2010 19:48:37 GMT
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fix it..... it wont fix itself
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Apr 17, 2010 19:50:16 GMT
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post a pic up. then fix it ;D
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Apr 17, 2010 19:57:57 GMT
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I'l get pictures tomorow. I recon i will have a go plating it tomorow, but i need to steer away from trying to take the trailing arm bolt out as they are always seized in
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1987 Opel manta GT 2.0 16v 1976 Opel manta s project 1985 Opel Rekord E 2.2i 1992 Vauxhall Carlton 2.3TD 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis 2005 Landrover discovery 3
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Apr 17, 2010 19:59:00 GMT
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do you think you you poke holes in it? if so then yeah for safteys sake it needs welding
if its just a bit scabby clean it up and prime /underseal it
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Apr 17, 2010 19:59:23 GMT
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No offence intended, but I don't quite understand why you wouldn't want your chassis repaired, especially as it's rotten near a suspension mounting. Is it really rotten or is there just surface rust?
I'm left wondering why your friendly ex MOT tester no longer does MOT tests TBH!
Anyway, your best bet is to get it MOT tested before doing any work by someone that does free retests, if it passes that's great, if it fails then at least you know what needs doing.
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Apr 17, 2010 20:09:53 GMT
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I do want my chassis rail repairing, but for me to do it I ideally want to take it somewhere to be done. Cant drive it anywhere as it has..... no mot or tax! I only want some MOT advise as technically the outer skin is not structural which might be the reason it passed last year, i don't know.
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1987 Opel manta GT 2.0 16v 1976 Opel manta s project 1985 Opel Rekord E 2.2i 1992 Vauxhall Carlton 2.3TD 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis 2005 Landrover discovery 3
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Apr 17, 2010 20:44:22 GMT
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'Technically the outer skin of the chassis leg is not structural'..... WTF does that mean?
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Apr 17, 2010 21:00:21 GMT
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^^ it means, if there are holes in it, or I can make holes/dents easily with the toffee hammer tool it has failed. If it's just surface scabbyness but harder than I can prod underneath, it's a pass.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Apr 17, 2010 21:03:25 GMT
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but any rot near a suspension mount is a fail if its structural or not. Same goes for seat belt mounts. Technically you cannot be failed on any other rust unless it severely weakens the vehichles structure.
Personally near a suspension mount I would be doing it whether the MOT needed or not anyway its just not worth the risk
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Apr 17, 2010 21:13:19 GMT
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Technically you cannot be failed on any other rust unless it severely weakens the vehichles structure. Absolutely not true! This kind of comment gives lesser informed people ideas that their rotted holes in body panels....although more than 12" from suspension/seatbelt mounts, are perfectly OK. Paul, please get your facts straight before making these kind of comments. Ask any MOT person if it is acceptable to pass a car with big rust holes causing jagged edges ANYWHERE on the car...not just near the suspension/seatbelt mounts.
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Apr 17, 2010 21:14:32 GMT
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well if your going to be getting it fixed then you might as well get it done now,i know you said no mot etc but its cheap enough to get it transported to the garage your going to use or they might even be able to pick it up i spose the alternative is grind it off and stick a smear of fibreglass in the hole and a bit of dirt and underseal!! then use it !
only problem with that is although you will get an mot , the rust will only spread-my citroen ami had 3 floors all welded on top of each other and all rotten,would have been a much easier job if it was done properly and much earlier
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Apr 17, 2010 21:14:49 GMT
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^^ what he said ^^
any rot within 12" of a suspension mount "should" be an mot fail, structural or not.
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Remember the days when sex was safe and motorsport was dangerous. Vintage bling always attracts pussy.
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deejay
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WELSH DRAGGIN'
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Apr 17, 2010 21:16:42 GMT
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but any rot near a suspension mount is a fail if its structural or not. Same goes for seat belt mounts. Sorry, you're wrong. If there is rust but i can see that the area is still strong, i am allowed to use REASONABLE FORCE to test the areas strength, if i cannot make holes in it then it would be deemed a pass. HOWEVER it is totally at the discretion of the tester whether he would pass it or not... If you NEED it to pass, my advice is put some underseal or really thick grrease on it as the tester is not allowed to remove it to find out whats underneath. It may sound like a joke but you could put gaffer tape on it too as for the same reason as above it would be a pass and advise... HTH. Your friendly MOT tester.
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spacekadett
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F*cking take that Hans Brrix!!
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Apr 17, 2010 21:17:32 GMT
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For corrosion to be a fail it has to be holed or at least deemed to have exessively weakened the structure. That means pretty much what scary said; if the outer skin is just a bit thin / scabby and the VOSA approved plastic corrosion assessment tool makes no impression on it, it's pass and advise. Areas like this are usually double or triple skinned, which gives you an idea on how bad it could get before a little tap or thumb pressure made a hole in it.
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Mechanic's rule #1... If the car works, anything left on the floor after you finished wasn't needed in the first place
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Apr 17, 2010 21:38:43 GMT
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Apr 17, 2010 23:51:28 GMT
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Ok, are we talking rot or rust??
My deffinition of rust is metal that's starting to turn bad but not full thickness, my deffinition of rot is holed and minging, where you'd have to cutt back to good metal to weld to, not just zipp wheel till shiney.
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Remember the days when sex was safe and motorsport was dangerous. Vintage bling always attracts pussy.
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i was once in an Alegro that did half of a transformer trick cus of rot, fix it.
or take it to the man, then fix what they tell ya to. MrMot is a good way of seeing what's wrong with a car... almost like that was what they were meant for.
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