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Apr 14, 2010 14:24:33 GMT
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Oh dear, I feel like I'm dying already! Mate get pics up of them on the car, they're SOOOO cool! You've done awesome with those! Man some people need to man up, I'm running stretch atm on the rear, and the dish on my wheels is UBER cool, but they'd not fit under the arches with 'correct' side tyres on! My car grips immensely well too. Glad to see the guys who've been around for a while know this is cool! Stretch is both cool, AND for a purpose! And as Hotwire said, it's not a track car is it?! Don't take the silence of longer term members as approval or disapproval of any particular topic, you just learn there's no point flogging a dead horse after a while and agree to disagree quietly. |
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Apr 14, 2010 14:25:50 GMT
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agree to disagree quietly. For which we (as mods) thank you  |
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Apr 14, 2010 14:36:30 GMT
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Lets ask the tyre manufacturers what they think:Dunlop "RIM WIDTH Correct rim width ensures flex at the designed flex point in a tire sidewall for optimum tire performance. If the rim is too wide, the flex point moves towards the rim area, causing heat buildup in the lower sidewall, which reduces tire life and could result in failure. Either too narrow or too wide of a rim can result in uneven tread/pavement contact pressure causing uneven wear and potentially reduced traction, or increased vulnerability to bead dis-lodgement. " Toyo "Serious personal injury or death can result from failure to select the proper tire and rim: Tire MUST match the width and diameter requirements of the rim. When mounting truck type radial tires use only wheels approved for radial tires. NEVER put flammable substances in tire/rim assemblies at any time. Never put any flammable substance into a tire/rim assembly and attempt to ignite to seat the beads. NOTE TO PROFESSIONAL TIRE INSTALLERS: Exceeding the maximum bead seating pressure — The tire service person must NEVER INFLATE BEYOND 40 POUNDS PRESSURE TO SEAT BEADS unless specified by the tire manufacturer! " And let’s look at some legalities:• Regarding wheel width, they must not protrude more than 30mm beyond the wheel arches. (Council Directive 78/549/EEC) • Regarding the fitting of the tyre "Each tyre fitted to the vehicle shall be of a nominal size appropriate to the wheel to which it is fitted." Sec16(4 The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 2001'. The fact that the fit was outside manufacturers recommendations should be very persuasive to convince a court that the tyre was not fitted in a manner suitable to qualify it as 'approved'. • Section 40A RTA 1988 states "A person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle or trailer on a road when...the condition of the motor vehicle...or of its accessories or equipment...is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person." Evidence to support this offence would include measurements of your wheel and tyre, and statements from the manufacturer or a tyre expert, indicating the potential risk of fitting outside their recommended parameters, namely, overheating, grip loss, unpredictable performance and behaviour etc etc. • If your vehicle was involved in a collision, especially one involving injury, where the cause led to the loss of control of your vehicle, dangerous driving may be considered, especially strengthened by Sec 2A(2) where "A person is also to be regarded as driving dangerously for the purposes of section 1 and 2 above if it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving the vehicle in its current state would be dangerous." I think that's actually quite interesting, thanks for taking the time to find out some actual facts so people can make an informed decision about it. (Personally I'm more concerned by the use of the word "haters", and people apparently "hating on x". What's wrong wih just "hating x"? Where has this extra preposition come from? Annoys me so much I could throw an angry kitten in the face of a nun... ;D) |
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Apr 14, 2010 17:37:14 GMT
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the very reson that vosa etc are trying to limit our enjoyment of modifying cars is because of curse word like this
they are not fashon police they enforce safety on the roads
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Apr 14, 2010 18:01:18 GMT
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Anyone got a picture of my back wheels? THEN we can see a tyre with a dangerous lack of grip ;D
Love the rears. Almost circular.
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Apr 14, 2010 18:02:48 GMT
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its got fuckall to do with lack of grip its to do with tyre wall failure
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Apr 14, 2010 18:09:39 GMT
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why did this thread go from very nice wheels with some stretch, to people whinging about stretched tyres? please stop moaning, its not what this place is about, don't like it then keep schtum. now get them wheels on the blooming car  |
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Apr 14, 2010 19:30:43 GMT
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why did this thread go from very nice wheels with some stretch, to people whinging about stretched tyres? please stop moaning, its not what this place is about, don't like it then keep schtum. now get them wheels on the blooming car You, and many others miss the point totally. Quite frankly I don't give a damn whether you endanger your life by fitting dangerously overstretched tyres to your carlos fandango rims (I do care if you endanger my life by doing that but, let's just ignore that aspect (no pun intended) for the moment). To stretch (dictionary definition of stretch by the way is to ' To extend or enlarge beyond the usual or proper limits') tyres like this is irresponsible and selfish behaviour and is more likely to lead to more constraints on our hobby of modifying cars. And also, for the record, I'm old enough and mature enough not to hate anybody or anything because life is quite simply too short. |
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Apr 14, 2010 19:35:51 GMT
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I think the point has now been made. Best to leave it there before people start falling out and ruining it for everyone
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Apr 14, 2010 20:20:36 GMT
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One day I will have a set on my Anglia,best looking wheel in the world ever. ;D Back to the gorgeousness.   |
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Apr 14, 2010 20:22:50 GMT
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look even beter with the correct tyres on
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Apr 14, 2010 20:50:05 GMT
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All mods ok with me, but safety has got to be up there. Its like any mod......its great until something goes wrong......what about insurance-if there were an incident they will look for ANY way to get out of it. Being unsafe/ or potentially unsafe gives the likes of vosa every reason to kill or control what we enjoy doing.
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Apr 19, 2010 16:48:54 GMT
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I don't care whether they're considered as cool as a Polar bears testicles, I think they look  Oh, I'm not allowed to say that if it's not positive am I? Sure, modifications can be done to cars to improve their handling their performance OR just their looks alone but this IMHO does nothing for any of those 3 qualities. What I will say is they aren't safe and they are border line illegal (if not in fact way over the border, see earlier post). If you RR members want to risk your lives by running them (despite all the factual evidence that it is unwise to do so) by all means do. But know this: IF they fail and the resulting accident harms me, my family or anyone I know, every penny you earn for decades will be tied up as I pursue you through every court in the land. |
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Apr 19, 2010 18:35:41 GMT
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I don't care whether they're considered as cool as a Polar bears testicles, I think they look Oh, I'm not allowed to say that if it's not positive am I? Sure, modifications can be done to cars to improve their handling their performance OR just their looks alone but this IMHO does nothing for any of those 3 qualities. What I will say is they aren't safe and they are border line illegal (if not in fact way over the border, see earlier post). If you RR members want to risk your lives by running them (despite all the factual evidence that it is unwise to do so) by all means do. But know this: IF they fail and the resulting accident harms me, my family or anyone I know, every penny you earn for decades will be tied up as I pursue you through every court in the land.  |
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Apr 19, 2010 18:50:12 GMT
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Those BF Goodridges stretch beautifully! The design of the sidewall is such that they can be run perfectly safely on much wider rims than you would expect for the tyre size. I had a set of the 175/50 variety on 13x8s at one point....  Unfortunately a dodgy but *perfectly legal* legal tyre repair meant that two of them went flat every 48 hours. I'm pretty sure that was more dangerous than running them on an oversized wheel! |
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Apr 19, 2010 19:16:06 GMT
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its got fuckall to do with lack of grip its to do with tyre wall failure i agree with this... short and to the point... ill add a bit... with that much stretch, you are massively increasing the chance of somthing penetrating the sidewall. the side wall has alot less strengh than the tread due to the flex required, also the lack of thickness there is obvious. its just waiting for a stone to poke thru... I absoulutely love the wheels, and the car, and the idea of combining the two rather than leaving them on a shelf... I don't like how people can just say oh forget about the stretch lifes too short enjoy it while you can. because with things like this it just gives the nanny state more to cling onto in getting rid of our hobby and others like it. |
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Apr 19, 2010 20:34:32 GMT
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Apr 19, 2010 20:52:42 GMT
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Has anyone ever actually tested to see wether there unsafe, is there any reports? don't give me manufactur recommended limits, there just there as a sensible cover, i mean has a manufacturer ever taken such a stretch and proved that were all gonna die?
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Apr 19, 2010 21:00:03 GMT
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 kfw <3 this ^^^ EXCELLENT work! |
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nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Apr 19, 2010 21:53:10 GMT
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Has anyone ever actually tested to see wether there unsafe, is there any reports? don't give me manufactur recommended limits, there just there as a sensible cover, I mean has a manufacturer ever taken such a stretch and proved that were all gonna die? Me? I blasted love em!!! Conversely, does anyone on here have any proof that they are perfectly safe and tested stretched tyres to the limit? Thought not. |
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Oh, I'm not allowed to say that if it's not positive am I? Sure, modifications can be done to cars to improve their handling their performance OR just their looks alone but this IMHO does nothing for any of those 3 qualities.
