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Feb 20, 2010 23:06:57 GMT
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Fitting Dellortos onto my Dolly Sprint engine and think it best to fit some filters. It seems a bit of a minefield about which type are best. What I have read is that wire mesh filters attached to the ram pipes are next to useless. So, individual socks or ITG/K&N air filters that fit over the 2 trumpets? Anyone have any experience? Cheers
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Seth
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Feb 20, 2010 23:16:25 GMT
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I asked a little while ago about socks on trumpets. Seem not to be the best solution and its possible for the socks to break up and get sucked in.
I've gone for proper (K&N) filters over trumpets - just make sure there's enough space between the top of the trumpet and the filter top.
Better may be an air plenum over the trumpets that is fed by a cold air pipe with a good filter on the end.
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Feb 20, 2010 23:22:25 GMT
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Almost ALL modern EFI systems are "trumpets in a box".
Before you build your DIY box (or buy one), go down to the local used car lot or scrappies, and look at a few engines of roughly your motor's size/power. Take some measurements, maybe some pics, maybe even buy the box from a scrappies if it is something you can adapt.
THEN, make your system. Let yourself benefit from modern SAE research and optimal size calculations, unless you yourself can crunch the numbers.
Howzat for a practical and easy plan of approach?
Norm
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Surly unless you've got a GTIR or M3 sat in your local scrappy most stuff's going to be a single throttle body stuck on the plenum rather than ITB's, so the air flow characteristics are going to be quite different? It is a sound plan though, it's all about letting someone else do the calculations for you and then just copying it. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) . Just be careful that their hard work is on a close enough set up to yours.
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pah, trumpets only: ![](http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae220/rtlkyuubi111/viva/S73F1937.jpg) ;D
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Originally fitted individual socks but told they aren't very good. I've now gone for an ITG foam filter purely because I could have the backing plate machined so the filter sits slightly higher and further forward to clear the brake m/c there's plenty of room inside the filter to house ram pipes and, IMO, the plate joining the carbs should prevent them going out of balance ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/mantachris/16v%20project/SP_A0017.jpg)
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Feb 21, 2010 22:48:04 GMT
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Surly unless you've got a GTIR or M3 sat in your local scrappy most stuff's going to be a single throttle body stuck on the plenum rather than ITB's.... Rly? Even some of our most pedestrian vehicles in the NA market have trumpets in a box air plenums.
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Feb 21, 2010 23:19:53 GMT
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I can't say I've ever cut open a plenum myself, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if a lot of them used trumpets within the plenum, I'm more talking about the throttle body's position. Surely for the airflow to be comparable to the carb's alolympic's using you'd need to be looking at a set up using individual throttle bodies between the plenum and the inlet manifold, as the trumpets in this system will be before the restriction of the throttle plates. Where as in most modern car's they use a single throttle body restricting the airflow into the plenum it's self, meaning the trumpets will be in the vacuum after the restriction of the throttle plate. I'm not sure how much difference this will make, as when fully open the throttle plate wont create much of a restriction, but it's worth bearing in mind/checking out.
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Feb 21, 2010 23:43:30 GMT
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I'm saying use/adapt/inspire the induction filtration system from another engine with roughly similar cfm requirements. That will address the "sizing" concerns expressed earlier in the thread. There's almost nothing in our market any more with TBI, Robin. I think our efi systems "may" be more widely port- or direct-injected air-fed via trumpets-in-a-box because of our unique fleet CAFE requirements from the US EPA. OEMs are squeezing every last mpg to meet the CAFE. Norm
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Sorry, got a bit sidetracked and thought we were talking about using the actual trumpets dimensions too for some reason. I'm with you on this one, adapting someone else's hard work is the way forward. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) So are you saying that most cars your side of the pond use individual throttle bodies now? for some reason I had it in my head that the American emissions laws usually restricted cars to a MAF metering system rather than MAP?
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No, there is usually a main body for intake of air. We use MPI in almost everything now, instead of TBI. And most of the multiport is sequential, with the trend towards direct injection rather than into a manifold. MAP v MAF, just a dif way to calc airflow. Dunno why that would be mandated by the feds. They typically are looking at what comes out the pipe rather than how you got it there.
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Ah right, I get you, didn't get the acronym TBI first time around, I've always just called it single point. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . MPI's standard on everything (bar mega poverty spec stuff) post 2000ish over here too. Not quite sure what the deal is the with MAF vs MAP regulations wise, I've just noticed a trend of cars using MAP metering for the UK, European and Japanese market, and then MAF for the US market.
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